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09-18-2012 , 07:41 PM

greenbast

adept

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Just a line check.

9 handed

UTG straddles to 5
UTG + 1 double straddles to 10

2 people limp for $10

Hero (200) is on button with AKo. One limper is short and everyone else covers hero.

What is your play here? I saw $38 out there, figured really I am only 20bb deep effective and just shoved. Do you think there is more value in making it $60-75?

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09-18-2012 , 10:35 PM

brojaysimpson

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I don't mind making it $45- $55 and shoving good flops. Don't shove worse will not call best case you will be 50/50.

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09-18-2012 , 10:54 PM

nddst

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You want to raise to get called by AQ or KQ and other stupid hands.

I like a raise to 35 and play some poker.

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09-18-2012 , 11:15 PM

D0UGHBOY

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When you say play some poker you mean see a 4 or 5 way flop? I don't see how a raise to 35 doesn't get 3 callers. Once one calls there will be a chain reaction. You need to make it around 60-70 to keep in AQ type hands, but not see a 4 way flop.

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09-18-2012 , 11:29 PM

progress

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i love the shove

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09-18-2012 , 11:48 PM

The Rumor

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Originally Posted by brojaysimpson

I don't mind making it $45- $55 and shoving good flops. Don't shove worse will not call best case you will be 50/50.

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09-19-2012 , 12:21 AM

rockshoxbh

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I would shove here. The way I see it , its pretty much short stack play. I don't mind winning the 38$ there without confrontation really simplify the decision process.

Not only that , not easy to play postflop with such short stacks.

This is the type of move I would do in a tournament with those effective stacks.

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09-19-2012 , 12:23 AM

Nogyong

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I'd raise it to 70 and call a shove.

The open shove is less scary for someone with e.g. 99+

Or, if we think the situation is ripe, I'd look for a way to induce the shortstack to shove and then for us to be able to reshove over the top.

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09-19-2012 , 11:33 AM

playertee

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Originally Posted by nddst

You want to raise to get called by AQ or KQ and other stupid hands.

I like a raise to 35 and play some poker.

+1

I used to raise big to make the hand easier to play, but really the idea is to keep dominated hands in, and well....dominate them.

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09-19-2012 , 12:22 PM

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gobbledygeek

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I probably would have went to about $65ish with the plans of shoving any flop. HU this would be produce a flop shove of about $135 into $165, which gives us decent FE against sticky preflop small pairs like 77 who are now in a tough spot on Q95 boards.

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09-19-2012 , 12:25 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by rockshoxbh

Not only that , not easy to play postflop with such short stacks.

A $65 raise that gets called HU will make postflop trivially simple: we shove any flop. There's a decent chance we hit TP (trivial shove, unless we hit a hand so good that we might even slowplay for a street or two so that villain will read weakness and payoff). Otherwise, we'll have decent FE (air will probably always have to fold), and if they lucked into a pair (that still might fold to a flop shove), we still have decent equity against them if they call the flop shove.

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09-19-2012 , 12:29 PM

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Dirty313

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

this

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09-19-2012 , 12:30 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by playertee

+1

I used to raise big to make the hand easier to play, but really the idea is to keep dominated hands in, and well....dominate them.

I think dominated hands could still come along (is AQ-AT always folding here?).

But here there's $35 worth of dead money in the pot; if people are willing to hand over 18% of my stack to me preflop uncontested with A high, I'm taking it every single time.

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09-19-2012 , 12:32 PM

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spikeraw22

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Grunch: raise to $75 and make an easy flop shove. Anything less is allowing them to accidentally play well. Raising to under $50 is just a pot sweetener in a $5/10 hand vs. two limpers plus effective blinds.

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