1/2, $290 eff with V1 (MAWG drinking on a Friday night) who seems passive and haven’t seen him get out of line...

V1 ($290) limps UTG,
V2, fun player in MP ($500) makes it $10,
V3 ($400) calls in MP1,
Hero ($450) calls in CO with KdQs,
V4, fun player ($200) calls in SB,
BB folds.

Flop ($60): KQTr
V1 checks, V2 bets $15, V3 folds, and before I act V1 minraises to $30 out of turn, Hero ???

I’m completely lost what to do here... so I just call, V4 calls, V1’s action stands and he minraises to $30, V2 calls, I think about raising but figure it might be an overplay so just call, V4 calls

Turn ($180): 4hh
V1 snap overshoves $250, V2 folds, Hero ???

55 pre and the hand ends. AP fold.

I considered it but V2 (fun player) had just reloaded $500 after busting and I didn’t think I had much FE. Plus I had pulled a similar squeeze on him 10-15 mins ago and he folded, so probably not getting respect this time.

You’re probably not even bluffing if you did it, and having him call isn’t such a terrible outcome either.

Also I just don’t call BI bets when there are mountains of nutted combos in there for him to jam.

So you’re 3b pre for value?

Are you raising flop first time around when you see him act out of turn? Or second time around after the action gets back?

What’s “BI” bets?

Agree with Amanaplan that pre is a pretty standard 3bet spot. This hand really doesn't play very well multiway and we can isolate a fun player in position with a solid hand.

The flop is really awkward with the out of turn bet. Normally i'd definitely raise the 15$ c-bet, but with the out of turn bet i'd probably just call twice. These minraises tend to be either TP information/"find out where i am" bets, or the nuts. Either way raising doesn't accomplish much. Problem is that we are giving Jx a cheap look at a turn, which is one of the reasons why isolating pre would make our life easier.

AP, i mostly fold. Kx isn't playing like this. Once in a while KT or QT will have "bluffed" you, but we block those hands and don't block TT, AJ or J9.

Definitely not standard to 3b here unless V2 is raising really wide (not sure what "fun player" means, exactly). If anything, it's a standard fold.

He was opening every other hand to $10, cbetting wide, calling raises wide, super loose overall.

I don’t really think we want to fold KQo in position 250bb deep against such a player for a $10 raise.

Then I agree with 3b if his PFR is 50.

Not really so concerned with bluff or value, it’s just an option better than calling or folding. What I meant was that while you prefer folds once 3betting, you aren’t necessarily in bad shape against either of their continuing ranges in a game like this.

Mixed.

Buy in sized bets.

3b or fold pre. Vs standard opens this is a standard fold.

Vs a guy that opens that much just 3b

At first I want to click it back and fold to a raise. After thinking about it just flat and try to he a full house OTT. When he overbets we don't have the odds to call and try to hit a full house so we just fold. Easy game when they jam like that

Want to easily increase your win rate?

Get a pen and on your palm write "I will NEVER call a raise with KQ". You're welcome.

Pre is 3bet or fold AINEC. The player type you described mandates a 3bet.

AP fold.

+1

routine fold pre

Sigh. No, you should not play KQ 3b or fold always. There are plenty of situations where calling is appropriate.

I'm also in the 3b or fold pre camp. AP turn is a snap fold. You lose to 32 combos of straights, all of which could easily play this way.

For everyone who wants to 3b pre, what is original open raising V’s minimum threshold stack size at which you decide not to 3b pre? Around $300? Or do we want to 3b more if V is shorter?

Doesn’t matter. The shorter, the wider he is. The deeper, the more play there/the more threebs you have.

Of course not, but I can guarantee you that if you just fold it to a raise every single time you will be better off than calling raises with it all of the time which is what most people do.

I think we're primarily talking about KQo here. KQs plays very well as a call IP.

KQo is fine as a call in BTN or BB against a CO open.

This is kinda funny if not entirely true.

In this spot though, I do think 3! is better than call or fold. Just calling kind of puts you in the middle of 4 players with a meh hand...not a good spot to be.

AP, I think you fold to the ship. Just seems super nutted there IMO.

Last weekend I went "0 for 2" calling a modest raise with KQo.

Medium pots but still losers.

Same thing the prior weekend.

Total 0 for 4 since I actually started thinking about folding KQo to any raise.

I now agree with MikeStarr.

(Again).

sick sample