V seems good lag or just a young speward. I really don't know. The game was no max buy in, 1/2, his stack about 700 / my stack about 500. He made some good lay downs and valuebetted extremely thin with second pair, abusing his own image. I don't know if he is really extremely good or just someone who likes to play laggy( for example he doesn't top off his stack, he also plays without rebuking when he got only 60/150$ left - is this an indicator that he isn't that really good???)
My image: tag, who can play poker, is here to win money haha
V raise to 14
Me(QQ) re raise to 44
All folds / v calls 44
Flop: TJ2
V checks
Me bets 50
V calls 50
Pot about (200)
Turn:TJ2 J
V checks
I bet 45( want value from Tx / 88 / 99...
V re raise to 120

Snap fold ? Should I check turn behind ? Any thoughts ?

Thanks

Flop bet should be bigger, closer to $75 on a board that hits a lot of villain's preflop calling range. The turn bet is mistake, either check or bet more. That small bet just invites a raise from a LAG and you have no idea if you are ahead or behind. For the most part I like a check on the turn and evaluate on river with an eye towards calling one reasonable sized bet. When the jack pairs I would figure to still be ahead a lot but no longer interested in building a big pot.

As played I'm calling the first raise from a spewy LAG and evaluating river. If he bets you will have to soul read villain, your hand is good enough to bluff catch but not a huge hand.

I don't like the turn bet. We're just opening ourselves up to get raised in a spot where we really don't want to get raised.

We block a lot of straight draw combos, so let's just pot control the turn then go for thin river value.

It's a tough spot here so I'd prefer to construct a range for V and go from there.

You said he is a bit laggy, do you have any idea of his PFR range? We have position so it looks like he's EP or MP and we are somewhere between HJ and BTN?

Unless you have more specific info, I would assume a relatively normal (lag) raising range from EP: 88+, AQs+, and toss in some 55-77, JTs+ for lagginess.

Preflop Hero reraises and V calls HU. I would narrow the range to JTs+, TT+, AK. Discounting KQ since we hold 2 of them.

Flop hits a good amount of his range and he floats a 1/2PSB.

Your turn bet makes this a really tough spot. We make a 1/4PSB and he makes a 1/4 pot raise. This could be a value raise, or a bluff since we showed such weakness.

Long story short I call and evaluate the river. If he has QQ beat he has to bet the river for fat value. If he checks, I'm checking behind unless a Q falls.


Fwiw I wouldn't read too much into him not topping off or rebuying.

Piss poor sizing on turn. Looks weak. Alot bad aggro will raise here. Now your playing a game of chicken.

Being 250 BB deep. Turn mistakes are costly. Either bet/fold $100 ish, or check back. I prefer checking back as pot is already large. We can still get value on most rivers.

Fold turn now, x flop more than 0% of the time.

You mean with "x flop more than 0...." - you never check back the flop?? Don't understand what you mean

Yeah that's prettty much his range. 9Js , so two gappers also in his opening range. I was cutoff he Mp in this hand.


So basically first mistake:
1) check back turn or bet higher turn that it doesn't look damn weak. Also flop bet could be higher

I called his turn raise.

River was a blank I think a 4 no flush possible.
River: V shoves for about 500?!

Hero ?

As people stated I beat only a bluff. Also yeah with soul read a crying call.
I folded.
If I would check back turn. And V bets 100 on river can we call ? I think yes? If V checks river and we value bet like 100 and V shoves - easy fold I gues because like in the first scenario we beat only a bluff

I think checking back is probably best. I don't hate the bet, but I would size it closer to 1/2PSB so it doesn't look as weak and we know for sure if he raises we are beat.

If we check back and he bets 100 OTR, we can call.

Good discipline to fold the river. If he bluffed, kudos for running a great bluff. I don't see the big River bet often being a bluff though.


Also J9 is a one-gapper , but that's a minor thing.

Yeah sorry one gapper. Poker glossary isn't something I am good at ^^

Haha no worries, it's really a minor point. That face was also supposed to be this one:

No. If we're checking back the flop > 0% of the time we're not always betting. I would actually check this flop quite a bit.

It's pretty decent for his range so we minimize losses when behind. Live players, especially LAGs, go nuts when the pfr checks, so we can induce some bluffs. We're not getting 3 streets really ever vs this Vil. There are a dece amount of turns we won't be able to vbet again on.

The turns that we would perceive as bad aren't really that bad either...we block AQ and KQ and AK might 4b. So K+ ott isn't that awful. If we bet the flop we couldn't v-bet anyway on those turns and then he would just bet the river way more often than he should and we'd probably still have to fold. Additionally, those turns also give us gutters or open enders and so if he had us beat already or turns the best hand, we've still got some equity.

He also can't really recklessly bluff you on A or K high runouts cuz he'll probably put some AK in your xb flop range (after all why would you check back an overpair in a 3b pot?...NO one does that )

Bet flop for value. So many worse hands call. AJ, KJ, QJ, KQ, 98, possibly A10 as a bluff catcher as well as AK floating.

check the turn for pot control. Fold to any river bet. If he has any hand worse than yours then he would c/c or c/f the river.

IMO Villians do not donk out to 3bet raisers unless they have strong hands. Even lags that like to attack weakness will not get out of line in 3bet pots out of position. Your hand beats nothing. Fold.