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01-09-2017 , 06:03 PM

yablebab

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Effective stacks $400. Villain is a capable TAG.

Hero is in MP with A

Preflop: Folds to villain UTG+2, who opens to $10, hero 3-bets to $38. Folds back to villain who 4-bets to $120. Hero calls.

We're 200BB deep and I have position, so I decide to see a flop. The SPR is going to be just over 1, so I plan to get all in on any A-high, K-high, or two club flop.

Flop ($243): T

Villain bets $150, hero folds.

Should I have played this hand differently at any point? Do you ever just fold to the 4-bet?

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01-09-2017 , 06:17 PM

Dochrohan

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Seems fine. Your 3b size is too big though.

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01-09-2017 , 06:29 PM

backdoordaddy

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Originally Posted by yablebab

Effective stacks $400. Villain is a capable TAG.

Hero is in MP with A

Villain bets $150, hero folds.

Should I have played this hand differently at any point? Do you ever just fold to the 4-bet?

i like it, i also like the larger 3 bet size, being your in middle position you don't want someone else tagging along with position.

If i think villain is only 4 betting QQ++ i would fold to a 4 bet.

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01-09-2017 , 06:34 PM

Dochrohan

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Originally Posted by backdoordaddy

EP raise and get's 3b, doubt you're getting a lot of callers behind if anyone. If they are their range is probably capped unless they are a fish or better player who thinks you overplay hands.

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01-09-2017 , 06:35 PM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Yes, fold to the 4!. His range is heavily weighted toward KK+ with some QQ and AK. You probably have ~30% equity.

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01-09-2017 , 06:45 PM

Dochrohan

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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie

Yes, fold to the 4!. His range is heavily weighted toward KK+ with some QQ and AK. You probably have ~30% equity.

Vs live players $1/$2 player, it's perfectly fine fold to 4!

If you're savy postflop and can extract value when you flop your K/A from QQ/JJ at some point in the hand. I like the call. If not, fold pre-flop.

I think vs a tighter opponent, you're optimistic to call AKs though vs an EP 4-bet.

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01-09-2017 , 06:48 PM

SwolyswoND

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Originally Posted by yablebab

Effective stacks $400. Villain is a capable TAG.

Hero is in MP with A

Preflop: Folds to villain UTG+2, who opens to $10, hero 3-bets to $38. Folds back to villain who 4-bets to $120. Hero calls.

We're 200BB deep and I have position, so I decide to see a flop. The SPR is going to be just over 1, so I plan to get all in on any A-high, K-high, or two club flop.

Flop ($243): T

Villain bets $150, hero folds.

Should I have played this hand differently at any point? Do you ever just fold to the 4-bet?

If Villain is indeed a "capable TAG," then this is a horrendous plan. Assume that a "capable TAG"s 4-bet range is exclusively QQ+, AK. Maybe JJ but that's optimistic. How are we faring against V's range that would be willing to GII on a K-high flop? A-high flop?

200bb is not remotely deep enough to flat this 4bet absent more developed reads, IMO.

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01-09-2017 , 06:57 PM

backdoordaddy

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Originally Posted by Dochrohan

EP raise and get's 3b, doubt you're getting a lot of callers behind if anyone. If they are their range is probably capped unless they are a fish or better player who thinks you overplay hands.

Yeah but it is 1/2, there are a lot of fish. It happens to me often, but i have been known to overplay some of my bigger holdings preflop. But it gets sticky when villains 4bet shove air in my games often.

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01-09-2017 , 07:00 PM

venice10

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At 1/2, folding to a 4 bet with AKs is fine without a strong read that he'll 4bet light.

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01-09-2017 , 07:01 PM

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MIB211

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I'd fold to the 4-bet, ranging him on QQ (maybe JJ)+ and AK.

If you're going to continue, then shove. Maybe you get some folds from hands like JJ and AK that you're flipping with. And when you get called at least you get to see all 5 cards.

Think calling is the worse option. Going to be very hard to extract value from worse in a 4-bet pot when an A or K hits.

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01-09-2017 , 07:11 PM

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wj94

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3b smaller pre to keep V's range wider, fold to 4b. If you flop an ace you're not getting paid when they have JJ-KK and if you flop a K you've got massive RIO vs AA, and the vast majority of 1/2 V's only have KK/AA here with the occasional QQ.

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01-09-2017 , 10:28 PM

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WereBeer

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If my read is 'TAG', I muck quickly here.

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01-10-2017 , 11:34 AM

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yablebab

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

If my read is 'TAG', I muck quickly here.

You mean preflop or on the flop?

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01-10-2017 , 11:37 AM

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yablebab

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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND

Assuming villain would get all in with KK+, AK on a king-low-low flop, we have ~35% equity, which is enough to get all in with SPR = 1.

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01-10-2017 , 11:38 AM

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cicakman

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All in pre

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01-10-2017 , 11:56 AM

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niceguy22

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This villains 4 bet sizing is very big. Definitely folding preflop here

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01-10-2017 , 12:38 PM

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SwolyswoND

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Originally Posted by yablebab

Assuming villain would get all in with KK+, AK on a king-low-low flop, we have ~35% equity, which is enough to get all in with SPR = 1.

This doesn't validate the plan, since it looks only at the flop in isolation. You still cannot actually profit from the hand on K-hi or A-hi flops against Villain's range that would GII on those boards.

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01-10-2017 , 11:44 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by yablebab

You mean preflop or on the flop?

pre

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