V1 (Covers Hero, UTG): young guy in his late twenties. Won a huge pot earlier by calling a nits $15 UTG raise with K6o, flopping 2pair and stacking the guy. He slow played till the turn in that hand. He is very loose passive playing almost every hand and calling most raises preflop, fairly loose passive post too but can make folds facing a lot of action.

V2 (covers hero, HJ): loose passive pre, fit or foldish post.

Hero ($450, CO): I should have a fairly nitty image. The fact that I am very young may decrease my credibility a little.

Hero is dealt AQo

4 limps, Hero raises to $25, BU calls, V1 calls, MP calls, V2 calls

Flop is T63r ($125)
V1 bets $15, MP folds, V2 calls, Hero ???

Note: Button seems like he is not too interested in the hand but I can't be sure.

I thought with my nitty image, a good sized raise would be effective. What do you guys think?

So, a loose passive player donks out into four opponents and a fit-or-fold player calls the bet on this fairly dry board with the PF raiser still to act?

Good luck bluff-raising them.

I wouldn't dare raise in this spot

Raising to 80-90 here is perfectly fine and will result on two folds a pretty high% of the time IME. If you do get called bluffing on certain turns (K, J especially) is probably the play. If middling cards then we bought ourself a river for probably close to the amount calling two streets would have (not advocating that as a good play fwiw). Of course this is assuming neither player is tricky enough to have an actual strong value hand with any kind of frequency.

Cliffs: yes, raising is a fine play and I almost advocate it here

I applaud your raise to $25, then 4 players call. lol

Are you considering raising the flop because you think they may both fold?

What does this little bet mean from V1? Is he really playing more than 75% of his hands from UTG? If so his range is very wide and includes quite a few hands he is never folding here. You could only hope for 54.

Edit: to say I am stuck on this ridiculous bet size and what it means.

Is it just me or is it really obnoxious that the guy led for $15 into a $125 pot?

you almost surely have a loose image, calling with K6, being young etc...
surely not nitty.

against a guy i just stacked and maybe has got revenge on his mind, i probably just play it straightforward and CALL. he gives us huge odds, and if we hit our Q or A, he might not believe us anyway. if we raise he might shove his 45 or Tx which is a horrible result for us.

call and surprise him with his overs
i´m not saying a raise is bad per se, but it might get awkward to play since please dont expect him to fold a better hand. you should be capable of good turn and river play if you decide to raise.

another point which leads me towards calling is we keep in their QJ, AJ, KQ etc and might even "cooler" someone on the right turn.

If you think v is trying to induce with the bet size call... But if hes just bad and playing his hand strength a raise here is fine and he set you up cheaply as well...

Guh. IRL, I'd probably make it $80 and shut it down if called, but I think that's probably just burning money. I play bad sometimes.

Probably should fold getting 10:1 just because you're probably never ahead and could easily have no outs.

EDIT: Do donkeys know the Raptor bet now? What is this game coming to?

Or we value own ourselves when one of them has AT/QT/A6/A3

Firstly the K6 hand was played by villain not myself. Secondly I viewed this bet as a weak defensive blocker type bet although I could be wrong.

On another note, if I do decide to raise, how much should I make it?
$60, $80, $90, $115, more?

$80 is a little less than a 1/2 PSB and I don't think you can make it any smaller than that and hope to get folds. Anything too much over $100 is probably overkill. You're looking for the least amount you can raise and get them to fold because it isn't going to work often, if at all.

Again, I don't think this is a good idea to begin with, but would probably try it IRL if I'm being honest.

yop. we have to be careful a little, but i still think a call is optimal.

Bluff raising at 1/2 hardly ever works out well. Pick a better spot.

Have you seen him donk out before? Without a read I hate raising here, too many players with this profile will happily call a raise on the flop with a pair hoping to hit their kicker, and the pot is already big. Say you raise to $75 and he calls, the turn bricks and he checks to you. Do you fire again, and risk bluffing off half your stack? There are better spots to get this guys money, especially with another player in the hand on such a dry board.

I would just call, hope for an A or Q, and I would fire the turn as a bluff if a K hits unless the fish fires strong.

I do think there is value in bluff raising. doubt V1 is sophistacted enough to lead small trying to induce. making it 80 would only need to succeed about 35% of the time to break even.

ime, a small lead in a big pot is usually indicative of exactly what it is, a vulnerable hand trying to see where they are at. lots of times its with the intention of b/f, and you may even hear "well, thats the info I was tyring to get", right as he fold.

This is like watching Viffer bet $400 into a 40K pot on the Big Game.

I didn't get that bet then, and I don't get it here either. Fire it in the muck.

Easy fold