IME this is not true at all. If we're shallow, yes it all goes in with trips. Deep, it's not 2003 any more, most villains understand what kickers are and slow down accordingly. They may find it tough to fold trips non-nut kicker even in the face of heavy action on a non-flush board but they will avoid just casually ripping over the top with 300bb+.

What weak hands? 99-77, maybe or some other smaller pocket pairs? I would imagine lower adds a real chance they fold there. J10-K10 I am heavily discounting because I have the remaining 10s. Maybe QQ gets a bit nervous now that a straight comes in, especially if they didn't 3 bet, but I see the jack as a really good card for me if my goal is to induce betting.

I strongly beg to differ. Maybe not for my entire stack but if the board is not obvious flush/straight, I have seen people play trips like it's the nuts. The shove I talked about before was over 150 BBs. When I see them shrug call and get wrecked, it always seems to be the attitude of "why do I always get stacked when I make trips." I see people struggle to fold two pair on non obvious boards.

There is no way to get 375BB in the middle in a Single Raised Pot by going bet/bet/bet. Or even by going check flop/ raise turn/ bet river. To get stacks in, someone will have to put in 4 bets, namely, someone will need to bet every street and someone will need to raise a street. Once it checks to you on the flop, in position, it is your duty to bet. Otherwise there is no chance for you to stack an opponent with Ax. (I don’t think it is reasonable to expect they will 3bet you on any street, when you can have AK).

Sometimes you flop a boat and have the board crushed. Thst's not this time. There's TWO
aces floating around out there. Despite the Ad on the board your description of villains leads me to believe that there's plenty of FD/s8 draws that will call one value sized bet. Leaving money on the table if you FPS this one.

Sounds like you're walking it back here. We started with you saying the money was definitely going in if they had any Ax. Now it's, yeah if the board isn't too dangerous, for 150bb not 300bb+, have observed people playing trips like the nuts...who hasn't seen some crazy chit? Doesn't make it standard.

The stuff about them not folding, this was my point - you can't rely on villains going crazy to get 300bb in with trips no kicker, but you can rely on the population calling too much.

Reason #1 to approach poker with a good, balanced, fundamental strategy and deviate only when it makes sense to: you don’t get into the mental gymnastics of justifying not bluffing because they “never fold” and then simultaneously justifying fancy playing monsters so that they don’t fold.


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It wasn't an attempt to be tricky. My thought process was that I wanted the Vs to catch up on a board I likely smashed. By the turn, it was obvious V1 didn't have an ace, and V2 was the type I thought would 3 bet most ace hands unless they were **** aces. My thought process on the turn was basically "How to do I get the max money if neither player has an ace"

I guess one way to look at this was I got almost 150 BB from this runout with neither V holding an ace apparently. Results wise, that might be wrong. I think my biggest mistake was flop more than anything. I should want to charge draws, and I won't always be put on an ace myself when I cbet.

Fair point though jdr. It's just a mindset that's hard to get out of it, as it feels like when we bluff correctly, we get looked up with top pair medium kicker, and get trips folded against us when we river a non obvious straight. I have had that same problem with people's post in the past, and now I am doing the same thing.

I think you wrote earlier that you “checked for deception”, which is maybe why ppl are saying this line is FPS. If you want to keep draws in I think you could follow JayKon’s advice earlier in the thread and bet 15-20 on the flop. Maybe you get raised by Ax. This is sort of the best of both worlds. Building the pot while keeping draws in, and getting max value from Ax.

I think this is results-oriented thinking. On this specific runout you should ask yourself how many BBs would you have gotten if V2 had Ax, and if you had taken this specific line. Most likely what would have happened is, you would have gotten $30 on the turn. Then V2 would have check-folded the river. Your line did okay against Villains KQ/KJ hands, but you lost a ton of value the times that V2 had Ax. He has Ax way more frequently than KQ/KJ, so I think this line is not the best to extract value from his entire range of possible hands.