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[1/2] Deep with AK on a monotone board [1/2] Deep with AK on a monotone board

11-07-2016 , 11:02 PM
Okay, I've been off 2p2 for a while, but I really need some help figuring out how to play hands like this because I get really scared this deep even though the money doesn't mean much to me, and I don't know what the hell I'm doing HELP ME, BROTHERS AND SISTERS!

Villain is a pretty bad "recreational tournament player," or so he says. I've seen him bluff a ton of rivers mostly in small pots, turn some turn showdown value into bluffs, and show at least one card from every hand he's won. He does some weird tricky stuff that makes me second guess his range. We're both deep; he has about 500? And I have 850.
Hero has A♦K♦ in the CO
Villain limps in MP, I raise to 12, BTN calls, blinds and Villain calls
Flop (60): K♠7♠6♠
Check, check, check, I bet 50, fold, fold, fold, villain raises to 100. I tank call.

Here I'm thinking that he rarely, if ever, has two pair or a set because he usually doesn't min raise. So I give his range some flushes, and then the A♠7 or A6, or a hand like KxQ/J/T I don't give him AK because I don't think he would have limp/called pre with it.
Turn (260): T♣
Bet 100, I call thinking he won't bluff the river with our stack depth. Probably terrible. I wasn't really sure what to do. Raising felt dumb because I'm only getting called by hands that beat me, and folding felt dumb because I feel like he had enough pair+draws in his range.
River (460): T♦
All in for 293, I fold, he shows only the A♠

Thoughts?
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11-08-2016 , 12:00 AM
Thoughts is, you should be in bed..
But since you cant sleep, this villian sounds like hes trying to be very creative but isnt very competent. He def sounds like a guy whoes going to play nut draws fast. I think your read of.his range was spot.on.on the flop and you shouldve continued with it. Raising/shoving turn is something i would.do sometimes but usually a call is better sonwe can see if river is a spade. I think you just snap river.
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11-08-2016 , 12:41 AM
When most people min raise they tell you what they have on the next street (c or r). But in this case, I agree that he will probably play his draws fast. If this is the case, he still gave it away on the T by not even betting half pot. The river was a little scary cause AT is in his range. Id have called. If he has it you still got invaluable info
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11-08-2016 , 05:03 AM
Start by checking - guy prob has more hands that bet and raise than ck and call, look to pot control and find your way to showdown as best you can.

Last edited by Amanaplan; 11-08-2016 at 05:08 AM.
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11-08-2016 , 07:25 AM
I like raising a bit bigger preflop or just limping behind pre given the deep stacks and V's bad but tricky tendencies.

Flop is awkward. Your cbet into 3 villains and tank call announces you have KX, particularly to a V holding As. It is then just to easy for V to play his whole range against you even OOP. You had the information preflop to predict this V's play here and yet you did everything to enable him to make your life difficult.

Poker is about looking ahead and planning based on your best guess at V's style.

I like insta check on this flop to dispel idea I have AK and then call down cheaply like Amanaplan suggests.
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11-08-2016 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Start by checking - guy prob has more hands that bet and raise than ck and call, look to pot control and find your way to showdown as best you can.
I'm 5-ways in the flop though. Is checking behind losing value and getting owned by a ton of hands? Fwiw, the BTN was pretty passive and probably would have checked behind anything but AK or KQ+ (so no flush or straight draws)

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11-08-2016 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ragequit99
I like raising a bit bigger preflop or just limping behind pre given the deep stacks and V's bad but tricky tendencies.

Flop is awkward. Your cbet into 3 villains and tank call announces you have KX, particularly to a V holding As. It is then just to easy for V to play his whole range against you even OOP. You had the information preflop to predict this V's play here and yet you did everything to enable him to make your life difficult.

Poker is about looking ahead and planning based on your best guess at V's style.

I like insta check on this flop to dispel idea I have AK and then call down cheaply like Amanaplan suggests.
I sort of agree with you here. The Villain in question, MP, I think he's like a level 0 or level 1 thinker. He's not putting me on a range, and if he thinks I have Kx, it's because he doesn't realize that I would raise a hand like 76s or something pre flop. I think he's literally just thinking "I have the nut flush, so I want to minraise so he won't fold," or "I have a pair and a flush draw, mhig and if I hit a flush, it's even better." This was the most 1/2 of 1/2 tables.

I still can't wrap my brain around the flop check though. 5 ways? Am I just bad? I realize that betting puts me into awkward situations like this one, but I also think from the other 3 villains, I'm losing value from weaker K's and also the As7x type hands that will play more passively.

Although, I should probably be concerned with MP's range the most because the other players were not deep at all. I think the deepest one was like 100 BB and the rest were around 50.

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11-08-2016 , 09:37 AM
Youre not bad lol its just a different perspective and i do agree also flop check is the move. Its just kind of about seeing it as a spot where we'rr slightly ahead or way behind but we have strong value to the point where those things start to really outweigh the goal of getting max value on the flop, and protectong our equity and avoiding difficult situations becomes.more.crucial
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11-08-2016 , 09:50 AM
Based on the V line and sizing, I think you can underweight sets and 2-pair in his range.

Pre - higher for value.

Flop - I think it is close between C/C or betting. If the latter is raised by this V, I'd 3-bet to $175. Vs. others I might B/F, read dependent.

Turn/River - once you call the turn, call the river. A small flush might bet more on flop and turn. Number of combos for AsXx > higher flush combos, and if he did have 76, u r now good. Flopping a flush occurs < 1% of the time.
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11-08-2016 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
Based on the V line and sizing, I think you can underweight sets and 2-pair in his range.

Pre - higher for value.

Flop - I think it is close between C/C or betting. If the latter is raised by this V, I'd 3-bet to $175. Vs. others I might B/F, read dependent.

Turn/River - once you call the turn, call the river. A small flush might bet more on flop and turn. Number of combos for AsXx > higher flush combos, and if he did have 76, u r now good. Flopping a flush occurs < 1% of the time.
I kind of like the b/3b line for value against this opponent. He really isn't much of a thinking player. I gave him this range because I think he raises small flushes to a larger amount than a minraise, and honestly, after giving it more thought, I think he's the type of player who would flat the nut flush close to 100% of the time. And if this is the range I'm giving him (do you guys think this is accurate?), can I just ship the turn and cry when he has KT?

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board: K 7 6
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