3:30 AM Motor City Casino

Table is a mix of weak passives, 1-2 fish, and 1 V who aside from being too loose pre is overbetting a lot preflop and postflop. I haven't seen what he has when he does this, but I suspect he's just been trying to value town a whale that just busted out (thanks to my awesome check raise with TPTK).

V (BTN) See above. Not necessarily overly aggro action wise but bet sizing seems skewed toward the unnecessarily heavy side. Doesn't seem like a total idiot however I've seen him open limping frequently with random hands so he can't be too advanced. He looks like a really white version of Charlie Villanueva. I assume his game is superior to Charlie's though, because that guy sucks at basketball. I've never played cards with Charlie so it's hard to compare their poker face, but neither is fun to look at. Stack: Covers.

Hero (CO) Seen as looser and more aggro than most although been under control at this table. Got sucked out on first hand at table for stacks but have rebounded by hitting big whale twice in a row and now probably seen as winning. Stack $465

HAND
Folds to hero in CO. Raises to $10 with 77. Folds to Charlie V who 3 bets to $22. Folds to hero who thinks for a moment and calls.

Not entirely sure what to make of his sizing. It's what he had been opening to. I think ether he was trying to ensure a call or he thought I was FOS and just trying to play position on me. Either way pretty easy set mine and the hesitation was just Hollywood.

FLOP: A56 ($47)
Hero thinks and checks. V checks after brief hesitation.

More Hollywood as I think his range is TT+,AK. Pretty good flop for me.

TURN: A564 ($47)
Hero bets $35. V calls.

This is a planned two street bluff. I beat none of his range, but he also folds most of it to a river bet as in his mind I have a lot of Ax.AK is discounted somewhat due to flop check.

RIVER: A5644 ($117)
Hero contemplates briefly and bets $75. V thinks for about 10 seconds and then announces all in. I think for a minute just making sure that he can't ever do this with KQ, and then fold.


Assuming AA. Too bad I ran into the top of his range. Mostly concerned with thought process and line. Too ambitious? Should i just set mine through turn and call it good?

Eh. Average fish don't like folding QQ-KK here at 1/2. Especially against a looser/more aggressive guy.

I would check the turn. C/r and bomb the river might have more FE (assuming you think he decides to bet QQ here), or we draw for free and can overbet the river if we hit.

How quickly does he call the turn? Does he seems to hesitate? There are often a lot of live tells that that give away the difference between him calling with KK or AA here. Does he stare you down? If he hesitates, did he go for his chips first, or did he wait to grab chips? I find the vibe they give off when calling will often determine whether or not i follow through with a multi street bluff.

As played snap fold. You got slowplayed son. When dealing with chronic over bettors wait until you crush their range then hand them a rope.

if he hesitates for 1 - 3 seconds and calls, then don't barrel the river.


If he hesitates for 6 - 15 seconds then the hand looks pretty good to me.
He likely crying calls with KK and some QQ.
Folds out JJ/TT.
So, if he is 3betting here with TT+ then I think it's good. Once he checks the flop and calls the turn he either has the stones or a weak hand.
Obvious fold to the raise. Hand seems ok against a reasonable 3bet range.

In light of his sizing and seeming propensity to assume initiative I'm inclined to include more Ax holdings in his range, as low as AJo.

I like your thought process and reasoning. That said, slightly ambitious IMO. Feel like this is playing a level too high against described V.

LLNSL Villains utilize binary interpretation in making their decisions. They do not change opinion of their standing within the hand from street to street unless the board texture changes drastically.

I'm check/folding this flop. If we float, it has to be with a plan to take it away on a later street, and there are not enough cards (4,8,7) that pad our bottom line in that process.

I think you planned it and played it well.

Betting the flop and turn probably would have gotten the same results, but sometimes I like that better. Had you been betting flops a lot? Had he? Either way, I think your line was good and would have folded most of his range.

I would check the turn. Most $1/2 Vs aren't going to fold JJ-KK for $35 (regardless of pot size) after the flop was checked. I'd wait to see how much he was going to bet (if at all) on the turn and then play the pots odds/implied odds game. You're behind his entire range, but very likely have 10 outs to the best hand. It's like a fat flush draw.

I usually don't respond to my own thread but I wanted to clarify this. The $35 on the turn wasn't intended to fold him out then and there. I fully expected to get called every time minus whenever he was completely messing around. The turn bet was intended to set up the river bet. In a way it made it a much more profitable bluff because it captures that turn call most of the time when he folds the river with most of his range.

:grunch:

Always love these threads and the V descriptions. Don't think I've ever played with that guy though.

Raise pre good (duh). Calling this deep seems perfectly reasonable too. No motivation to 4-bet him here, spewy. His sizing IS weird though. It could just be that that's the raise size he likes and that's what he wants to play for. Meh.

I like the flop check and the turn bet. We've also picked up some outs that he may totally miss read if we do manage to hit. Great IO there, good FE against his PP hands.

River b/f is good. Might be able to get away with a little less, but not much if you want FE ($5-10 maybe). You should fold out his PP's, maybe fold out a weak A, but he's calling with anything like AK.

I think he has more than just AA his range here though. There should be a good amount of Ax hands. If $22 is just his opening size he could have AJ or AT, checked the flop because his kicker isn't awesome and to try to induce you to bet with worse. The hesitation preflop might make him think you're weak. I doubt that he's got many PP when he ships river (without history). A5 and A6 seem like they'd bet the flop, A4 should check. It's kind of backwards to say "he thinks you're weak so he's overbetting like crazy" but fishy thinking gets that way. Regardless, we can't call him here.


Checking the river isn't awful. We have some showdown value if he's on a missed draw or something like 68s that just got frisky preflop. We may not have as much FE as we'd like if he's somewhat sticky (hard to say). It's probably pretty close EV wise to b/f (although less +EV), although the b/f may be better for our meta image.