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02-28-2020 , 08:32 PM
Typical $1-$2 game at Parx casino just outside of Philadelphia in the Keystone state.

Effective stacks ~$175

Hero has $175 and has shown down a few second best hands. Antihero has $350 and hasn't shown down many hands, but he had the best of it the hands that he showed down.

Hero and anti hero played a hand earlier during the session and have some history. In the previous hand that they played, Hero raised UTG+1 Antihero defended from the BB and turned top two pair. The flop checked through and Antihero led the turn for 3/4 pot sized bet. Everyone folded and Antihero flashed top two and commented that he missed value not betting the flop. He said that he expected Hero to bet and that he planned on check raising him.

On to the hand...

Hero picks up off suit black AK UTG+1 and opens to $12. Two callers to Antihero in the BB and he calls closing action.

Flop

K 34
~$48 in the pot.

Antihero leads out for $15. Hero raises to $65 leaving him $100 behind (less than a pot sized pet if it gets to the turn) everyone folds to Antihero and he raises and puts Hero all in.

What should Hero do?

Last edited by Mike Gallo; 02-28-2020 at 08:34 PM. Reason: forgot to mention stakes
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02-28-2020 , 09:04 PM
You have the range advantage, while he has the nut advantage on this flop. I think I prefer a call rather than a raise here, and if it had checked around to you, you could bet small and probably call if raised.

Given the prior history, sounds like a straightforward 1/2 player. If you think he would do this as a semi-bluff, then you are getting a good price. Against a range of (65, 34, 33, 44) you are only a slight dog. But if you take the OESD out you are a huge dog and can't really justify the price.

Obviously, adding in any single pair puts you as a big favorite, but that seems unlikely at 1-2.

In my experience, this is a fold.
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02-28-2020 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DashOfSalt
You have the range advantage, while he has the nut advantage on this flop. I think I prefer a call rather than a raise here, and if it had checked around to you, you could bet small and probably call if raised.

Given the prior history, sounds like a straightforward 1/2 player. If you think he would do this as a semi-bluff, then you are getting a good price. Against a range of (65, 34, 33, 44) you are only a slight dog. But if you take the OESD out you are a huge dog and can't really justify the price.

Obviously, adding in any single pair puts you as a big favorite, but that seems unlikely at 1-2.

In my experience, this is a fold.
I agree with your thoughts here.
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02-28-2020 , 09:47 PM
So do I.

As an aside, are you a gimmick for Mike Callo?

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02-28-2020 , 10:28 PM
I'm not sure I want to lay down this hand getting 2.8:1. I also don't like the 6x open UTG. Flat the flop lead? I dunno.
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02-28-2020 , 11:49 PM
Why don't you like the 6x open UTG? Pretty standard open in this game, and we're near the top of our range.

I would like a flat OTF if it weren't such a tiny bet, but when it's a price setter like that, I pretty much raise my entire range., and again we're near the top of it, which balances the times we have air. I mean, board is a little dry, so it's not a slam-dunk, imo, but I'm pretty happy with raising.
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02-29-2020 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
So do I.

As an aside, are you a gimmick for Mike Callo?

Nice one.
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02-29-2020 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
I'm not sure I want to lay down this hand getting 2.8:1. I also don't like the 6x open UTG. Flat the flop lead? I dunno.
I think that hero played his hand fine preflop.
6x from UTG is pretty standard open in this game, actually a little small.
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02-29-2020 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick

I would like a flat OTF if it weren't such a tiny bet, but when it's a price setter like that, I pretty much raise my entire range., and again we're near the top of it, which balances the times we have air. I mean, board is a little dry, so it's not a slam-dunk, imo, but I'm pretty happy with raising.
Spot on.
What do you do when Antihero puts you to test?
Does he have a draw or a hand thaf beats top top?
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02-29-2020 , 02:27 AM
Other than hands that have us beat, what does Villian call our raise with? Why do we want to price out bluffs, semi bluffs(which we already deem unlikely), or worse Kings. That's what I see the flop raise accomplishing here. Don't we want him to keep valuing on himself by barreling into a hand we can call with?

I think calling also protects our range for whatever that's worth at your typical 1/2 table lol
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02-29-2020 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DashOfSalt
Other than hands that have us beat, what does Villian call our raise with? Why do we want to price out bluffs, semi bluffs(which we already deem unlikely), or worse Kings. That's what I see the flop raise accomplishing here. Don't we want him to keep valuing on himself by barreling into a hand we can call with?

I think calling also protects our range for whatever that's worth at your typical 1/2 table lol
I was Antihero.
I flopped a set of 3s.
Hero called my shove and he didn't approve ,I didn't need to.

I think that the hand played itself.
I posted to see if Hero should ever fold in that spot. Hero put himself in this spot by raising, once he put in a raise he's pot committed.

I could have had the same hand as he did with AK and played it the same.
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02-29-2020 , 06:20 AM
Hand is played fine if Hero beat him into the pot. Folding is terrible.

Since you’re villain, don’t donk into the pfr on flops he has huge range advantage.
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02-29-2020 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Gallo
Spot on.
What do you do when Antihero puts you to test?
Does he have a draw or a hand thaf beats top top?
Board is too dry for a semi-bluff 3! from most Vs. Most won't raise a bare draw, but only a combo-draw or a draw+pair, sometimes a FD with overs. None of those are available on this board. Without significant history, I would let this go.
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02-29-2020 , 10:02 AM
And now that I see this is a reverse HH, please don't do that. We have a policy against those as the threads usually go pear-shaped.
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02-29-2020 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
And now that I see this is a reverse HH, please don't do that. We have a policy against those as the threads usually go pear-shaped.
Won't happen again.
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02-29-2020 , 02:05 PM
No worries. This one didn't descend into madness. Unfortunately, that's a rare occurrence, and if it continues afterword with some people talking about your play as hero and others as the originally ref'd hero, it could get bleh.
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03-01-2020 , 02:38 PM
Easiest call in the world. No reason KJ KQ are not in his range
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