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03-18-2011 , 10:50 PM

yodachoda

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Preflop, I guess I shoulda raised but please don't comment on it. I have $180 villain covers. Villain seems competent, I'd say TAG.

Preflop, there's a straddle and limper, villain raises to $8 in the CO. I call on the button w/ A

, BB calls, straddle and limper calls. Flop comes A

. Checks to me and I bet $20, villain calls. Turn is 3

, goes check check. Why did I check here? Because "small hand, small pot". I'm probably way ahead, but if not, I'm basically drawing dead. Likewise, I don't have to fear a free card unless villain has like 45o. I'm ~90% against AJ, QQ type hands. Anyway, river is 2

, villain bets $45. Hero?

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03-18-2011 , 11:02 PM

Garick

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Call. There are no fives but 55 in his range, so unlikely river changed anything, and he might be reading turn check as weakness and betting a medium PP or a weaker ace here.

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03-18-2011 , 11:06 PM

AfootDread

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Generally the whole small hand small pot theory is a sound way to play, however in LLSNL it can quite easily mean you miss a craPload of value. OTF I'd bet a bit more, somewhere around 30 will make it a clear mistake for most draws tocall, whilst still getting a call from weaker aces.

OTT I don't like the check. His line so far looks like a weak ace or a draw, and either way you should be betting. If he jams over the top OTT after u bet, id be considering a fold but it'd be based on what u know about him previously.

As played, I'd flat the river and play it differently next time. If he turned over the winning hand, you got very lucky you didn't play it great.

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03-18-2011 , 11:16 PM

iLikeCaliDonks

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Yeah you missed a good turn card to bet again. No draws got there OTT unless a fullhouse draw. River I would fold 65 got there and A5 got there as well.

Why are we saying no 5s in villains range?

Do you know if he raises the CO light?

Does he play suited connectors or weak suited aces?

Those reads are crucial.

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03-18-2011 , 11:33 PM

Garick

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Maybe he raises A5s pre there. Few villains in 1/2 would raise 65, and if he would, it's prob pretty obvious. There are a tone off PPs in his range here that fit this line perfectly, so I don't think we can fold just because "65 got there and A5 as well."

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03-19-2011 , 04:42 AM

Nogyong

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As played, I insta-call the river here 100% of the time.

Why would we check the turn if the purpose wasn't to pick up an extra bet on the river?

It doesn't matter that he will sometimes have a straight. He will also have worse than our hand plenty of times.

I definitely agree with betting more on the flop (it looks like we're stealing in position and any pair might call us).

Either betting the turn, or checking behind is fine. But if you're going to check behind on the turn, you need to snap off his river bet.

We only need to have the best hand here 2 out of 7 times to be profitable.

2 times we win $125 (=$250)
5 times we lose $45 (=$225)

Last edited by Nogyong; 03-19-2011 at 04:49 AM.

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03-19-2011 , 06:20 AM

quesuerte

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Reads on villains would help. Do competent TAGs really miniraise pre in pots with straddles and a limper? I don't think they do, which means the read is off and all further discussion devalued.

If we are playing a complete random at 1/2, a guy who just sat down, I'm assuming he is a donk based on pre and therefore betting the turn for value.

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03-19-2011 , 04:37 PM

yodachoda

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Villain has been playing pretty tight preflop, first time I've played w/ him and its only been like 3 orbits.

Also, another reason for checking behind on the turn is this: If villain has A8o, he has a 6% hand. If I bet again on the turn, he may just fold, because he'll know he may face a river bet. I'd be repping at least a decent ace by betting turn, probably like AJ+. By checking turn, I can bet river if he checks and he may be more likely to payoff since he'll be ending the hand.

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03-21-2011 , 11:56 AM

gobbledygeek

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An $8 raise preflop against a straddle and a limper seems like a smallish raise size; if I thought that indicated a weakish pot sweetener then I think I'd lean towards 3betting to ~$30ish and trying to take down all this dead money preflop.

I play the hand the exact same way you do for the same reasons and then call the reasonablish 1/2 PSB on the river.

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