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1/2 to call off or not vs fish 1/2 to call off or not vs fish

07-30-2019 , 08:19 PM
1/2 game
H - at the table for 2 hours, played a few small pots, yet to reach showdown. Should be perceived as TAG.
V1 - can fold pre, but not often. Plays all kinds of suited junk, offsuit connectors, etc. Unable to fold any piece post flop before the river most of the time. Overall plays very passive both pre and post.
V2 - good reg, can and will widen his ranges vs a spot like V1
HJ V1(~550) limps, B hero (~1200) A Q raise 16, BB V2 (covers) raise 47, V1 call, H raise 165, V2 fold, V1 call
Flop K Q 3 (378) V1 jams 399. H ? Any thoughts on preflop are welcome as well
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07-30-2019 , 08:38 PM
Preflop was risky. V2 is likely to open his range because V1 is in the hand but not to the point of reraising OOP, he is more likely to call wider knowing he can get paid more often. Your reraise is going to run into a huge hand more often and when it doesn't you are setting up a huge pot.

As played it's a judgement call on the flop. You describe V1 is very passive, what does he jam into this flop? Against a typical super passive I find a fold here. The only hand you beat is JT, everything else he shoves here beats you. If you think he could have some spazz moves and bluffs though I can't fault you too much for calling with those odds.
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07-30-2019 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
Preflop was risky. V2 is likely to open his range because V1 is in the hand but not to the point of reraising OOP, he is more likely to call wider knowing he can get paid more often. Your reraise is going to run into a huge hand more often and when it doesn't you are setting up a huge pot.

As played it's a judgement call on the flop. You describe V1 is very passive, what does he jam into this flop? Against a typical super passive I find a fold here. The only hand you beat is JT, everything else he shoves here beats you. If you think he could have some spazz moves and bluffs though I can't fault you too much for calling with those odds.
I agree with this, if not 100%, very close. 4bet w AQo is very risky. You want to be in the pot with the passive fish, not force him out and play with the aggro,especially if he sees you as a TAG. I'd rather 4bet w A5s (against v2). At least then I know what to do against a 5bet or if an A hits the flop.

I also agree with the fold against a generally passive opponent.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 07-30-2019 at 11:26 PM.
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07-31-2019 , 12:56 AM
How wide is V2 when he 3b here?

I don't mind the 4b too much especially IP. You have V1 dominated here a lot and you don't mind if he folds pre, and I suspect the reg will way overfold here. I see him folding a ton of JJ/AK/AQs and even QQ pre and obv all his merge/bluffs, and mostly just continuing with AA/KK/AKs maybe. I actually prefer a 4b over a flat especially with offsuit AQ. Good sizing pre. Even if he has KK, i seriously doubt he'll jam this deep and IP you can realize a lot of equity.

Preflop is obv extremely high variance but i think it does a little better than flatting. if we were suited id be more likely to call. And AQo >>>>>> A5s here with the whale here for sure. I would never 4b bluff a suited wheel ace here. 4b A5s when the whale literally has a ton of Axs/66-1010/AJo/AQo that he might not fold could be lighting money on fire

AP flop you gotta soul read.

Last edited by Minatorr; 07-31-2019 at 01:06 AM.
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07-31-2019 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
How wide is V2 when he 3b here?

I don't mind the 4b too much especially IP. You have V1 dominated here a lot and you don't mind if he folds pre, and I suspect the reg will way overfold here. I see him folding a ton of JJ/AK/AQs and even QQ pre and obv all his merge/bluffs, and mostly just continuing with AA/KK/AKs maybe. I actually prefer a 4b over a flat especially with offsuit AQ. Good sizing pre. Even if he has KK, i seriously doubt he'll jam this deep and IP you can realize a lot of equity.

Preflop is obv extremely high variance but i think it does a little better than flatting. if we were suited id be more likely to call. And AQo >>>>>> A5s here with the whale here for sure. I would never 4b bluff a suited wheel ace here. 4b A5s when the whale literally has a ton of Axs/66-1010/AJo/AQo that he might not fold could be lighting money on fire

AP flop you gotta soul read.
+1 to above

if a passive player all of a sudden wakes up
its either a monster or you pissed him off
so I fold here 90% of the time
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07-31-2019 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MitkoSamoleta
Overall plays very passive both pre and post.
Fold.

Sure he could be spazz bluffing, but he's not bluffing in this spot often enough to make calling profitable.
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08-01-2019 , 09:24 AM
Thanks for the replies! Results - called and lost vs AK
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08-01-2019 , 09:33 AM
fold and fold
c4b are nutted
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