Playing at local casino in average $1-2 NLH game.

Hero ($425) is currently up a buy in and has shown good hands. Raising once an orbit or two, playing pretty tight aggressive poker.

Villain 1 ($300) is a regular I have played many hours with. He is tight solid ABC type player. Doesn't run too many bluffs and likes to play small ball poker.

Villain 2 ($175) is a complete unknown. He has been at the table for about 30 mins and is very loose passive. He likes to see a lot of flops but gives up on most.

Folds to Villain 2 who calls $2.
Hero raises to $10 with 53.
Folds to Villain 1 in BB who calls $8 more.
Villain 2 calls $8 more.

Flop ($31): 3A5

Checks to Hero who bets $25.
Villain 1 raises to $65.
Villain 2 cuts out $65, thinks for about 15 seconds and then folds.
Hero?!?!

I played i hand like this i flopped bottom two i lead the flop get raised by short stack then i shoved he call with qq on a k42 board. but vs a obv fish.

range for this villain set, two pair, ax . This type does not raise flushes and sometimes even ax. it seems like he is trying to build a pot, I think i fold vs him

My standard play in this spot if I have a loose image and my opponent is capable of making plays would be to call with a view to committing on a non-spade turn. With a loose image, it would look like we were isolating preflop and then just cbetting on the flop so villain could be making his c/r play with lots of random air and flush draws. So with these stacks sizes, I would want to just call, let his equity deteriorate further and give him more rope to hang himself.

But hero and villain don't fit those descriptions. We ourselves have a solid image and villain plays tight solid ABC poker so...

meh, just fold. Dude has better two pair or at worst a monster combo draw. Either way, I'm not committing 150bb to find out. I'd rather go for the fish at the table.

I would fold based on your read.

Oh... and by the way, if stack sizes were smaller e.g. more like 65bb... I'm always committing on this kind of flop even against seemingly nitty opponents.

By you holding 53, you have basically narrow his combos of two pairs down to A3, A5, and A3.

I doubt a tight player is calling with A3o or even A5o from BB, especially against a rather tight hero.

On the other hand, I can see him flatting AK and AQ from BB almost always, and AK looks like the nuts on this board to most villain.

I would flat here and evaluate on the turn, but I don't think I am quite committed just yet.

This is going to be the problem with flatting to evaluate the turn. He's not going to be able to put you on your actual hand, so he's betting AK and probably AQ for value on the turn nearly always. If you plan to flat with the intention of probably calling down then that might be fine, but if you flat the flop with the intention of folding to a turn bet then I say save your money and just fold the flop.

What do you think villain's bet size on the turn is going to be?

I see a wide variation, and most make mistakes and provide tells in these spots.

Don't forget that we could also fill up and villain is likely to slow down with a turn spade or straight card, which we could also use to turn our hand into a bluff even.

I don't think I can fold here. 35 probably has better equity than A5 here because it cuts down 33/55 combos.

I assume he isn't calling very wide out of the BB when a tight player raises and the only player behind is a relatively tight limper. So the only A5/A3 he can have are the suited combos. And there's only 1 A5s combo and 2 A3s combos. Then there is 1 33 and 1 55 combo. I doubt he is likely to have AA here.

So that's somewhere between 5-8 combos that you are losing to. Maybe even less if he sometimes folds the suited A3/A5. There are way more strong Ax combos or strong dtaws that he can have.

He probably has a pretty tight raising range, but there are so few combos that we are reasonably losing to that I don't think I can find a fold here. I would flat with the intention of continuing to call on almost every turn.

I don't think we should turn our hand into a bluff when he checks on the bad turns because I think the part of his range he is likely to slow down with on spade turns is the part we were ahead of while he will continue betting most of the time with the sets.

If he checks to us on a spade I think we should probably still bet, but not as a bluff.

It's a blurry line because we're betting the river as well, and it's likely a shove on the river.

I am not super thrilled with my hand, and I don't mind if villain fold.

Well the point is that imo we are almost always winning if he checks to us on the turn. So we should be thinking about how to get him to put the most into the pot. It ends up not mattering much because it probably results in us doing the same thing.

Question is, would you fold if villain open shoves on turn to a blank card?

I am pretty sure you ran into a big A here. The small ball type players will usually wait till the turn to raise if they flopped good to it, they want to see a non spade. This almost min-raise is usually a big ace from this type of player. He just wants to take it down now or "see where he is at."

On a slightly different note, this is the problem I find when I use small suited connectors for stealing/image puposes. When encountering resistance bottom two is seldom good at 1-2. On the other hand it is hard to tell if these pesky little min-raises are resistance or not.

Your up against big ace ,he raised your c bet because of spaide draw. I either flat and try to check raise turn, or I check raise flop.

I doubt I would be calling a turn shove. But he shoves the turn so infrequently that I don't think that's a reason to fold the flop. I would be calling most regularly sized turn bets and folding the river I think.

U said villain 1 likes to play small ball right, he's raising u and he's probably not doing that with tptk if he's playing small ball, fold ur probably beat. I myself play bottom 2 like tptk, it's a hand u want to put money in the pot, but I won't get 100bb committed to it

preflop is a fold

Villain probably has AQ or flatted PF with AK. I'd probably just jam and try to get him to call.

Don't see his position, but assuming btn/CO PF is fine.

Yep I agree with this. He has way more big aces in his range than A3 A5 and sets.

I agree with everything you said except for calling. I feel his range is 33, 55, A3s, A5s, and AK, maybe AQ. Against this range I am in awful shape. I feel if I flat the flop, the only information I gain is having him act first on the turn. He is betting the turn with his entire range if a non spade non straight card comes. So basically I just put in $40 more and still don't know where I am at or have a plan. At the time, I thought that shoving or folding were my two best options. Is making a smallish raise over his flop raise any good?

All of these thoughts crossed my mind while in the hand. He is betting his entire range on the turn if a non spade and non straight card comes. On these turns I would see him betting $100-125ish. On a spade turn he might actually bet a smaller amount. He probably doesn't put a 2 or 4 in my range, so if either comes he will again probably bet a smaller amount.

Based on his actions, the really only good turns that I like are a 3 or 5. If a face card or a spade comes on the turn, he could turn a better two pair or pick up a spade draw as well. Based on his check raise of the flop, he never has a flush draw.

Is making a raise to about $140 on the flop any good? Is this just setting money on fire?

In late position when someone I see as loose passive is a lone limper, I am raising anything that can flop decent. Even though I am far from perfect, I feel I have a very very significant edge playing post flop than anyone else in these games.

AQ and AK are the only two hands in V's range that I beat. If I jam he is folding all hands I beat and calling with all hands that beat me. Do you feel that making a smallish reraise on the flop has any merit?

I am in CO this hand.

I think villain has AQ or AK a lot of the time here. I like a flop reraise to $120-125, if villain jams then I fold. If villain calls, since we've taken the lead villain will check the turn most of the time, after which we can check for pot control and evaluate river.

The reason I don't like flatting is I think villain is likely to lead the turn and I don't know what our plan would be then.