Villain - Just sat at table. Guy at end of table made comment to his neighbor about him being spewy and said, "guess I cant rack up now". I kind of took it with grain of salt, but mental noted based on how he was playing though. I dont remember villain.

Table is super passive limp/call happy. No 3 betting with the exception of like 3 times over 5 hrs (not including me). I'm also the only one that has L/R.

Hero btn 57 ($330)
Villain LJ ($300)

3 limps
Villain rs $8
H calls along with HJ, CO, 2 EP limpers

Flop ($43) 57K
V bets $25
CO calls
Hero calls (?)

Turn ($118) Q
V bets $100 and has $165 behind.
Hero?

I know fold pre. Let's ffwd past that. It's rare, but I like hands like this in spots like this after folding for an hr. Especially rare at this table. 1st gapper.

Pre: raise is small and pot is very likely to go off multiway. You are investing only 1/40th of your stack and you'll have the best position postflop. I like the flat.

Flop: raise that up! You are so many ways on a drawy flop with a vulnerable made hand. Take your pound of flesh now. If called shove all turns.

Let's say we give V a somewhat narrow turn range of AK, KQ, AA, KK, QQ and maybe a couple flush draws/combos draws like JThh, JTcc, AJcc, ATcc, A5cc ..This means we can pretty easily fold to a big bet when A, K, or Q hit river. We also still might get value from AK or AA on brick rivers. Still lose stack to KQ, KK, QQ on brick rivers. Might be in tough situation on club river.

So flatting turn pros: We very likely save $165 on bad rivers. Likely get another street of value on brick rivers (vs him fold to jam). We possibly save $165 when he already has us beat with KQ,KK,QQ.

Flatting cons: Allow V to realize equity including implied odds for free. Lose getting his last $165 when he folds due to bricking draws or river card kills action. This option is kind of disastrous for combos draws.

Jamming pros: V pays to see river outs and he very likely has 8 outs (around 15%). V is denied equity when he folds. We get Vs $ and sometimes wouldn't in various river scenarios where he finds folds.
Jamming cons: We are behind here to 6 combos of sets, 9 combos of 2 pair and he gets our stack and we are drawing dead or very close to it. He sucks out sometimes in scenarios we wouldn't have paid him off on river.

RE "Getting...pound of flesh now" - I guess if we are going to raise bottom 2 on flop, doing it with this flop vs a preflop raiser is a good situation, but a big part of my strategy which has worked well has been to bring most of the fight to turn and river. With super strong hands, I do like to set up to get it all in by river, but not too concerned here as we are under 3spr going to turn. 3/4 pot turn bet leaves under pot, like 0.8 spr. The pot bet that did happen on turn left like half pot for river. Dont get me wrong, co raising or just raising this flop is prob my default.


Kind of want to hear others decision on turn and will post results

Pre is fine.

I think as a baseline strategy, we should play our big made hands fast otf if the flop is wet.

This spot in particular calls for a raise because it's K high with two low cards so all of his/their Kx hit TP but probably not 2pr, you can't see the Ac so any of these players could have AXcc or any other reasonable fd, and you have the button making the turn play much easier. Obviously calling if he jams flop.

There is also the question of "what do you raise here if not this?", but that is not very important at these tables.

The larger point is if V is in fact spewy, he is unlikely to be folding Kx+ and may even jam 1 pear on such a draw heavy board.

Raise flop, AP shove turn

Even at these tables I think always questioning whether our approach is balanced is a good question - at least as a foundation, even if we may take more liberties in these games. So, to answer, I'm raising bottom set almost always, flatting middle set on occasion and if I somehow end up with top set here (almost impossible) I'd be flatting in position a lot. Bottom 2 pair (my hand here) is also getting raised most of the time. My flop call here is def rare, but opted to flat and see 1) what happened behind me, and 2) see what card peels and usually pound the turn because 3) I'm guessing based on what players said about him, he prob isnt slowing down. At the bottom end, I would be raising some big combo draws, but I'm folding most of the lower equity hands like gutshots I like to bluff with. So my calling range is middle set some of the time, top set almost every time, naked FDs, Kx hands probably. Actually, now I'm really glad you asked, because if I need to strengthen my range anywhere, its prob my calling range here. With that said, I still agree that in this game I should almost always be raising this flop, especially in this game, but if we get all GTO is life, we are leaving $ on the table in 1/2 games like this.
I'm open to critique on my thoughts here. Dont pull punches.

If another player calls from behind along with V and CO and, say, 2c, Ax, Kx, 6c etc hits the turn, I can get away from it relatively cheaply. If they call and the turn bricks, I'm pounding it hard and they have much less equity/are making big mistake by calling. My point is that I don't think the flop call is really ever disastrous...or at least rarely. Hand protection vs hands that have almost 0 equity and bink a big backdoor are already taken care of with the $25 bet most of the time.

Which is all why I'm really curious about opinions on the turn.

This is really my considerations that make this spot more interesting:
1) The narrow range we can give V after turn bet where we can prib snap fold to non heart A and K,Q on river.
2) He prob only has 7 or 8 outs, and we likely still get more value from him on a non A,K,Q.
3) stacksot is prob the biggest argument to always ship turn and disregard the other things. We can be happy with folds/equity denial and happy with call and being like 75%+ vs range.

FWIW, since this doesnt seem to be an interesting spot here - on turn he bet $100 and we shipped $165 on top. He tank folded AK.

I'm still not sure that flatting and getting another street isnt better. At the end of the day, considering SPR was .5, I think we can be happy with a fold or call, but there are river events that we might not be happy with if we flat.