125bb effective, V covers.

V literally playing ATC, overvalues hands in limped pots, somewhat straightforward in raised pots but bluffed H with 4th pair on a 4-straight, 3 flush board and got H to fold top top (hero did not show) will attack weakness, 20-something gambly image.

H TAG been relatively card dead had had to fold to V 3 times total, once after opening 98hh UTG (yeah I know) and after c betting KK3 villain flatted and H c/f to Q turn, V rolled K3o.

3 limps V OTB Hero in SB raised to 15 w AsAd V calls.

Flop QcJs3c

H bets 20, V shoves. Hero?


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I'm snapping against described villain.

He probably can't have JJ or QQ here. QJ and 33 he might play like this. Plenty of draws, maybe QT spazzes, not folding.

Call. Seems like hand analysis isn't going to help in a leveling war.
Either he hit two pair, a set, or a flush draw, or is repping it.
I don't know? Turn your cards over, ask him if he wants a call?
Maybe you can get a live read. But over all the play seems really gambly.
You were looking to get it all in anyway before the flop?

Never folding when we don't have the Ac in our hand here.

We don't have the Ac.

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That's the thing, the NFD combos are in his range

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Don't think I'm folding if we had the Ac either but it would be close

I would call here against the described villian. Have you seen him do this sort of thing before?

Ahhh yes right, makes more sense now. Good point.

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No, he's been relatively straightforward post, big bet equals big hand. Problem is I haven't seen what constitutes a big hand for this villain.

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Given history it's hard to find a fold here ever. If he will jam all the reasonable draws along with QJ and 33 we are a slight favorite. But nothing in your op really indicates this radical of a flop overvalue or over bet esp in a raised pot so it should be 2p+ or a very big draw a lot.

However a key missing read is his pf raising range otb. And his semi bluffing tendency. In the above bluff he waited for a scare card and bluffed you. Does that translate to running a huge semi bluff on a wet board vs a tight open from the blinds? I dunno.

I expect v to button raise a lot of his range that flopped big here. The fact that he limped the button leads me to think its weak Axcc draws or something like J3 Q3 possibly Jxcc.

We haz Aces and he bluffs so I'm probably not folding this deep though.

Fist pump call.

Grunch,

Snap call.

Yeah, snap call. It's either QJ, Q10, the nut draw, or a combo draw. It's often a combo draw -- K10c, 109c, jxc, etc.

This should almost never be 33. 33 is probably going to raise you, but the massive overbet raise is (1) a huge leak, and (2) out of character for most 1/2 players, whose natural instinct is to slowplay sets. Every hand that calls the overbet all-in will call or shove against a smaller raise. A lot of hands that will fold to the overbet will also call or shove against a smaller raise.

This is rarely complete air, so you're gonna have to fade a lot of outs. But V gave you credit for a big hand when you raised out of the sb preflop. More likely that he hit a solid draw and wants to force a fold from a tight player than that he hit a set or top two and wants to force a huge call.

J3 and Q3 should definitely be in villain's range, based on the hand you describe when he turned over K3o.

Snap call.

He would not limp AQ, neither go for a double trap with KK.

I think I am sigh/folding here (and keep note as we say for online). We don't do well against a range that consists mainly of strong combos and 2 pair/bot set. Doubt he would play a naked OE str8 draw like this.

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+1

Not really many better spots to get AA in against described villain. Way WAY too many draws villain can hold and I think a lot of made hands just call you on this flop.

If you lost that sucks but I don't see how you can avoid stacking off in this spot.

Like most things in poker, it's a math problem.

It's 215 to win roughly 500 so you need 43% equity.

If he has a lot of draws, and only a few made hands in his range it's not a profitable call:

Board: Qc Js 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.539% 42.38% 00.16% 10488 40.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 57.461% 57.30% 00.16% 14181 40.50 { 33, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, QJs, T9s, QJo }

You need to ask yourself if he regularly plays something like T9o this way. That would move it into the call category.

DING DING DING

Hero called and Villain rolled J3o (old poker buddies used to call it 'Camel Ball Licker'). Turn and river were no help and hero quietly mucked.

Was the bluffed hand HU?
The kk3 hand HU?
Will attack weakness, is this a weak tight table?
could we happen to be playing weak tight in v
Perspective (ie us blending in)?
He plays pretty str8 forward post
Guy bluffs in a sick spot

I mean if this guy is overvaluing hands in limped pots he should be a fish.
Are we calling off vs aggro fish yea sure.
75% guys a bad player 25% guys a good player imo trusting Heros read



What is the math adding q3 j3 and Acqx
Axqx to your range

Went straight to reading the hand before I read the history and descriptions. At first I was thinking call, but then I saw this

and snap called.

It's still a call