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02-19-2009 , 11:27 PM

Renton

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I would post in ssnl but i tried that with this cluster**** of a thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96/small-stakes-full-ring/1-2-vs-fpsy-reg-417164/

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Board:
boshnjane (MP1): $77
dickkemp (MP2): $264.80
Renton555 (CO): $241
LoliBluff (Button): $211.70
ryanj9352 (SB): $201
boobiedipp (BB): $89
TYROMPER (UTG): $432.20
MightyScrot (UTG+1): $250.60

Dealt to Renton555 5

Pre-flop:
(4 folds), Renton555 raises to $6, LoliBluff raises to $18, (2 folds), Renton555 calls $12

Flop: ($39) 3

(2 Players)
Renton555 checks, LoliBluff checks

Turn: ($39) 8

(2 Players)
Renton555 bets $24, LoliBluff calls $24

River: ($87) 9

(2 Players)
Renton555 bets $24, LoliBluff raises to $50, Renton555 raises to $199 and is all-in

villain is reg who likes to make weird thin plays a lot and bluff a lot

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02-19-2009 , 11:47 PM

ranka

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U try to fold out TT? I think you never get called by worse on the river. Also I think check-calling river is better than betting.

And PF call is close too, I fold I think. I have seen u before OOP constantly calling 3bets, probably mistake.

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02-20-2009 , 12:06 AM

loco

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Trying to fold out boats is always kind of gross. I kind of like this, but you are going to get instacalled if villain thinks your tilting or sick and tired of his shiiit. On the other hand if you are nitty and always play solid, you are definitely going to fold out better hands.

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02-20-2009 , 12:08 AM

Renton

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Originally Posted by ranka

i normally fold pre, but i see no really problem with calling every decent suited connector, suited broadway, most suited aces and pairs here.

Last edited by Renton; 02-20-2009 at 12:26 AM.

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02-20-2009 , 12:08 AM

Renton

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Originally Posted by loco

im not at all nitty, but i do play solid

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02-20-2009 , 01:53 AM

soah

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me no likey

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02-20-2009 , 09:02 AM

13_Xerxes

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LOL, with your nitty image, he never raises you on the river unless he got AIR, 9x or AA/KK.

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02-20-2009 , 09:52 AM

█████

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Zeebo theorem, sir. He's not going to fold an 8 or an overpair here, he might even call 66 or 77...

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02-20-2009 , 11:09 AM

Mench

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fold.

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02-20-2009 , 12:25 PM

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MaxRaises

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You lose, good day Sir.

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02-20-2009 , 12:35 PM

#11

Deanglow

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come on renton you know shoving preflop is the best play (not level ldo)

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02-20-2009 , 03:04 PM

#12

loco

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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

LOL, with your nitty image, he never raises you on the river unless he got AIR, 9x or AA/KK.

Of course he does, look at the betsizing.

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02-25-2009 , 08:02 PM

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shrunkviolet

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 588

why can't Renton can't have slowplayed QQ-AA here? would be a good play vs. a bluffy reg who 3b us OTB with us on the CO. Any stats to share on villain, i.e. vpip and 3bet% from button?

say villain has 1010 or less, isnt this a good spot to bluff? wouldn't you **** a brick if R makes this play in V's position if you had 1010 or under?

since you have history with him, do you expect him to check this particular flop with his whole range?

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02-25-2009 , 09:48 PM

#14

Renton

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he folded

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02-25-2009 , 09:56 PM

#15

13_Xerxes

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Nice value shove.

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02-26-2009 , 07:05 AM

#16

Renton

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lol ok

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02-26-2009 , 02:21 PM

#17

newschool2

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THis hand is funny to me, ty for posting it renton. I think iit sfunny cause i really dont like ur river donk, but i might love ur shove hahah, i see some freaky logic to make this line possibly ok.. THough i would bet the 55 in a weird blocckingg bet folding Equity, sorta of way, keep them from bluffing me of the best hand.... and then expect all raises to be bluffs.. very interesting. I dont really see ur first river bet gaing any value in isolation as u described in op.

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