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1/2 baby flush facing c/r and river shove 1/2 baby flush facing c/r and river shove

06-19-2013 , 05:20 PM
Hero: Young Asian. Losing image. Lost an all in earlier stupidly calling a turn shove with Q9 on QJ96r, running into QJ.

V1: Young Asian TAG, sitting there with his girlfriend. Raises a decent amount pre, plays flops OK, haven't seen him do much out of line stuff. Once saw him raise a 1/4 pot size donk to a PSB on the turn, when villain 3bet him all in he looked surprised and folded. Educated - heard him talking to his girlfriend about universities.

Hero: 330
V1: 300

Preflop: Drooler limps, Hero raises to 11 with 67 in the HJ, drooler2 calls OTB, V1 calls in BB, drooler calls.

Pot: 45 Flop: AKQ

V1 donks 30. Drooler folds, Hero calls, droolers fold.

Pot: 105 Turn: AKQ T

V1 checks. Hero bets 42. V1 raises to 105. Hero calls.

Pot: 315 River: AKQ T J

V1 immediately shoves 155.

Hero says, '...you must have the QT of diamonds.' V1 immediately replies 'The T of diamonds is on the board.'

Hero: ??

Comments on all streets would be appreciated.
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06-19-2013 , 05:27 PM
once you call the turn I don't see how you're folding now
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06-19-2013 , 05:52 PM
Why did we call the turn bet?
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06-19-2013 , 05:59 PM
With lots of droolers, I think I'd rather just overlimp and play a nice high SPR pot with a nice multiway hand in good position. The raise didn't narrow the field at all, and now we're seeing a 4way flop (i.e. best hand wins) with 7 high.

I'd also just call the flop donk (loving it if the drooler behind me also comes along and pads the pot).

I'd be betting close to pot on the turn so that we can set up an easy river shove. As played, the check/raise is a little weird, but this can easily be a straight, set, two pair or even a smaller flush. We made our bed preflop by bloating the pot huge and now we've hit our very good hand, so there's no way we can fold. He's stuck in a good percentage of his stack, I don't think he's folding, so I'd shove now before a scare card (any board pairing card, a 4th diamond).

As played, trivially easy call on the river, imo.

Gmadeyourbed,nowlieinit,imoG
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06-19-2013 , 07:05 PM
Raising pre is really bad imo. Why bloat the pot 4 ways with 67s?
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06-19-2013 , 07:42 PM
I'd limp here usually, if you are gonna raise pre ya gotta make it bigger to get people out. Do you think he'd raise you ott w/o a flush? I mean I've seen people shove straights on a 3 flush board many times, he could've also hit JJJ or TTT. I think he should usually 3bet QQ or better pre. At this point he either has you crushed and did a good job setting up a pot size big enough to make his shove easy to call or just donked it cuz he thought you would fold the turn and is now pot committed.

The decision should've been make ott though. You have to know that last $155 is going in otr. If you aren't gonna call w/ >3.5:1 then why even call the turn?
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06-19-2013 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
With lots of droolers, I think I'd rather just overlimp and play a nice high SPR pot with a nice multiway hand in good position. The raise didn't narrow the field at all, and now we're seeing a 4way flop (i.e. best hand wins) with 7 high.

I'd also just call the flop donk (loving it if the drooler behind me also comes along and pads the pot).

I'd be betting close to pot on the turn so that we can set up an easy river shove. As played, the check/raise is a little weird, but this can easily be a straight, set, two pair or even a smaller flush. We made our bed preflop by bloating the pot huge and now we've hit our very good hand, so there's no way we can fold. He's stuck in a good percentage of his stack, I don't think he's folding, so I'd shove now before a scare card (any board pairing card, a 4th diamond).

As played, trivially easy call on the river, imo.

Gmadeyourbed,nowlieinit,imoG
Glad I read through the comment first this is almost word for word what my advise would have been!!!
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06-19-2013 , 08:47 PM
@gobbledygeek why are we shoving the turn? i would prefer calling turn raise and calling a shove on a non diamond river
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06-19-2013 , 10:17 PM
I like the pre-flop raise at 12 to help balance my fairly tight raising range with a hand no one can put me on. Flop call is fine but once you make that we are going all the way with the hand. Don't like the RIO of a baby flush 4 ways but we aren't deep enough to worry about it. Villain can't put us on a baby flush here ever. He has some pairs in our range.

I wouldn't fold even if villain open shoved the turn as it would be broadway with a diamond redraw. This one is just going in there.

As played the turn was weird and I don't understand why we didn't 3bet shove.
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