Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? 1/2 - Awful river, easy fold?

12-08-2011 , 08:57 PM
Literally 1st hand at the table. I've only seen 1 person at the table before but he is not villan.

Villan is UTG +2, stack $215, young white guy early to mid 20s.

Hero is BTN, stack $240, dealt J10.

UTG +1 limps. Villan limps. 2 more limps. Hero limps. SB folds. BB checks.

Flop (pot $13) - KJ3
Checks to Hero who bets $10. 1 fold. Villan calls. All others fold.

Turn (pot $33) - KJ3Q
Villan checks. Hero bets $25. Villan calls rather quickly.

River (pot $83) - KJ3Q10
Villan quickly bets $100. Hero?

I don't beat anything really. Any ace or 9, and most 2 pairs beat me anyway. This seems like an easy fold but if he wants me to call, why overbet the pot? Does my decision change if Villan shoves or if he bets say $50-75?

Thoughts on all aspects of the hand are appreciated.

Last edited by iceman1986; 12-08-2011 at 09:06 PM.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-08-2011 , 09:08 PM
well played on all streets, as long as you folded to his river bet.
some might argue for a raise pre, but i'm fine with limping along.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-08-2011 , 09:17 PM
I think you could argue making a raise PF. I believe youre on the button right? Then again, with 4 limpers and the blinds left, somebody could be waiting for a raise to put a 3bet in. So Im fine with limping PF.
I like flop bet. Turn I think I got a bit bigger just to make the pot alil bigger for the river. If you bink the spade, theyll never see it, and hopefully we get paid.
Easy fold on river, like you said, we dont beat much.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-08-2011 , 11:23 PM
Fold river. Rarely is an unknown OOP going to lead into you for $100 in 1/2 NL with worse than JT here. As a matter of fact, I can't come up with a hand that is worse by the river that he can have here. Any hand he had on the flop that was legit is either a straight or a better two pair now, he isn't doing this with a complete garbage Kx or J3.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-08-2011 , 11:57 PM
snap fold. You're good like 15% of the time or less here I think against a random villain. He overbets the pot b/c he heard betting big with the nuts is smart (in a general sense, it's true). He doesn't think about what might call him.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 01:45 AM
fold. Also at what casino can it be literally your first hand and you have the button. I want to play there.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 02:00 AM
Everyone is saying snap fold. What is villian repping here. 2 pair is bombing this river?, AJ is calling 2 streets here. He's a 20 something. This feels bluffy. Villian must know this is a great spot to bluff. I mean what we have AK and limp the button pre? Unlikely. So an A in our hand is unlikely. I don't know. I'm just saying this does not seem so clear cut. How spewy is jamming here? He can't call without an ace, no matter the price right? Maybe I'm levelling myself here.

Any thoughts?
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 02:04 AM
It's either A10 or a better 2pair.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickyLive
fold. Also at what casino can it be literally your first hand and you have the button. I want to play there.
they don't make you post when you enter the game here
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 02:58 AM
raise pre,
flop/turn fine
river easy fold
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 04:18 AM
I also would raise pre. As played, just fold the river.

Villain is overbetting the pot and you beat a stone bluff and nothing else. You have no idea if villain is a complete LP drooler who would call twice here with like a3 and then overbet the river when nothing can reasonably call.

I just don't see how you could ever make an argument for calling river overbets at 1/2 with bluffcatchers.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 01:08 PM
hes obv bluffing... shove.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ledoutwbottomset
Everyone is saying snap fold. What is villian repping here. 2 pair is bombing this river?, AJ is calling 2 streets here. He's a 20 something. This feels bluffy. Villian must know this is a great spot to bluff. I mean what we have AK and limp the button pre? Unlikely. So an A in our hand is unlikely. I don't know. I'm just saying this does not seem so clear cut. How spewy is jamming here? He can't call without an ace, no matter the price right? Maybe I'm levelling myself here.

Any thoughts?
If I had to put him on a specific hand, I'd go with AQ that didn't want to fold the flop (hoped you didn't have a K, gutshot and overcards yo!). But, hell, he could even have a crazily-played AK as easily as a bluff.

Just fold. It's your first hand and you have no idea if he's even capable of running this kind of float/bluff. Pay attention to his subsequent play, there will be other chances.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 01:58 PM
I'd also just typically limp behind here after so many limpers.

I'd also bet the flop once it is checked thru to me. There's a chance we have the best hand and take it down now, otherwise we give ourselves options for the turn.

I probably just check behind on the turn. There's not of hands we should be beating at this point; even AQ/QT/AT just moved ahead, and other than that there weren't really any other draws on the flop. I'd take my free card. ETA: Sigh. No one else checks behind the turn? What are we beating? What are we looking to get value from; a worse J on a two overcard board?

As played, I'd fold the river. We're being offered horrible odds (villain has to be bluffing here far too much of the time) and with this board it's even possible a ******ed villain could be bluffing with a better hand (i.e. a bigger two pair). I just let it go.

GcluelessNLnoobG
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
If I had to put him on a specific hand, I'd go with AQ that didn't want to fold the flop (hoped you didn't have a K, gutshot and overcards yo!). But, hell, he could even have a crazily-played AK as easily as a bluff.

Just fold. It's your first hand and you have no idea if he's even capable of running this kind of float/bluff. Pay attention to his subsequent play, there will be other chances.
thx,

sounds about right.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 05:01 PM
Limping pre is fine, if you want to raise you're gonna have to put in like 10% of your stack to get anyone to fold.

Why are we betting the turn? What worse hands are calling? What better hands are folding?

River is a fold.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman1986
they don't make you post when you enter the game here
Most places don't (in my experience), but everywhere I have played would not have given you the button. It'd go to the player on your left, making you the cutoff.

Easy fold. Unless you have a read/info on villain that he does this as a bluff >50% of the time.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman1986
I don't beat anything really. Any ace or 9, and most 2 pairs beat me anyway. This seems like an easy fold but if he wants me to call, why overbet the pot? Does my decision change if Villan shoves or if he bets say $50-75?
Grunch

To answer your questions: He has the nuts and wants to get value if you slowplayed a set or something. Not really, it's really hard for you to be good here.

Definitely fold, you don't beat anything but a really weird bluff. Also, I don't like betting the flop. The pot is 6 way so the chance that we take it down with one bet is very small. However I kind of just give up in limped pots when I flop less than top pair, maybe that's a leak I have.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote
12-09-2011 , 09:40 PM
I don't think I have a calling range in this spot.
1/2 - Awful river, easy fold? Quote

      
m