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1/2 AQs misplayed? 1/2 AQs misplayed?

04-25-2014 , 03:58 AM
Playing for 90min. Have a winning image. Table is very passive in gen and hero has 3 bet some light opens (every time villains folded).
V1: MAWG. Has done some fishy pre bets to 5. Haven't seen him get out of line though. Plays the Max ie 400. (Hero doubled up through him 45 min back. Hand played as hero opened 10 w 88 in EP. 4 callers. Flop 862r. Hero bets 35. V1 raises to 90. Hero counts his chips to figure call or shove and shoves for total of 230ish. V calls). Stack 450

V2: 25ish girl all dressed up. Bought for 100 and have been playing for 30 min. Hero doubled up her by value-owning. Likes to CR on river with strong non nut hands. Stack 300

Hero covers both.

Pre. Hero raises AQhh utg to 10. V1 calls from CO. V2 calls from button. Blinds fold. Pot 33.

Flop T26r. Hero bets 20. Both villains call. Pot 93.

Turn J (brings diamond draw). What's ur play?
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04-25-2014 , 04:53 AM
Check and fold to any meaningful bet
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04-25-2014 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
Check and fold to any meaningful bet
this.

you could possibly blow them off of their hands by betting 85+ and repping AJ+ , but if you get CRed, you have to fold.
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04-25-2014 , 08:08 AM
I think we bet too much on the flop, as $15 accomplishes the same goal as $20. Realistically, our villains are never folding for $20 with any pair, and are generally going to call with their entire range. I doubt that even a set would raise here, given how dry the board is.

OTT, I would bet $20 again and fold if raised any meaningful amount that doesn't give us direct and/or implied odds. Why am I betting $20? Because all of the hands that called us on the flop, will call us on the turn again. But! All 2p+ hands (JT/22/66/TT/JJ) will almost always put in a raise. So, if we are just called we can pretty much deduce that our villain(s) have only a 1p hand, allowing us to blow them off of their hand on the river... If called in one spot, bet $150-$175 on any non- non-10 river. Probably betting the maximum amount I think I will get called if I improve (Q-A). If called in both spots, c/f any non-Q-A river.

Last edited by gotwoot; 04-25-2014 at 08:15 AM.
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04-25-2014 , 08:26 AM
Preflop and flop looks fine. Check turn once you get two calls on the flop. Hope it checks around because you have to give up to a substantial bet. Heads up you could think about betting, but with two villains it is too likely that one has a hand they are not folding.
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04-25-2014 , 05:59 PM
In game I thought with two overs and gutshot I have decent equity. Also villains with bare T or underpair might fold with overcard. So I bet 40 with plan to bet fold. As if someone raises A and Q may not be outs anymore. If called I'd bet fold any A/Q river. Check-fold unimproved. And if K hits then life is beautiful.

No one thinks it is a good plan?
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04-25-2014 , 06:17 PM
I like your plan against one opponent, less so against two.
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04-25-2014 , 06:36 PM
Well now wait a minute. Hero has 12 outs to a really good hand.

I don't know about the overcards, I could see that being RIO.

But at any rate, this could be a c/c instead of a c/f. Just depends on the pot odds.

I don't know about betting. I can see scenarios where hero comes out ahead. I can also see scenarios where he's playing for stacks with one card to come, which would kind of suck.
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04-25-2014 , 07:16 PM
Barrelling into two opponents who are both fishy is usually going to be -ev without a ton of equity

All you have is a gutter. You don't know if your overs are live.
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04-25-2014 , 09:47 PM
Ugh diamond draw. Yeah sorry you're a hurtin gator. Need more fold equity than you're likely to get.
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04-26-2014 , 01:09 AM
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Hero has 12 outs to a really good hand.
10 outs. 4 Kings, 3 Aces, 3 Queens.

Three of those outs are diamonds and might be dirty.

The A's and the Q's might be dirty and give opponents 2 pair.

OOP with 2 fishy players behind and no fold equity, this is a clear check and fold to any bet that isn't LOL pot odds.

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Check and fold to any meaningful bet
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04-26-2014 , 02:45 AM
Thanks all
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04-26-2014 , 02:50 AM
Also ag one player is it clear bet?
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04-26-2014 , 05:46 PM
It isn't a clear bet against one villain, but you could bet in the right situation. There are three things to consider, how stationary is villain, how wide is he calling flop, what is he likely to do if hero checks? You looking for a villain who will give up TX some of the time to continued betting and will fold weaker hands that might have called flop. Obviously, the wider villain calls flop the better. Not just because he will have more hands that will fold, but because you will have fewer dirty outs. If he is the sort who will float with air some of the time and try to take the pot away on turn with nothing, you need to bet here some of the time. If villain never turns up with less then a good TX after flop then check most of the time. Finally, if villain is likely to check behind and give you a free shot at your draw then check more.

Stack size also plays into this. Part of the reason you can't bet the turn is the pot is too big. Any further action is pushing into pot commitment territory. If you had one call on turn, you could go with a much smaller turn bet, giving you better bet/fold options on turn and river and a chance to bluff river if you feel villain is ready to fold.
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