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1/2 AQo, trips on the river - call or raise? 1/2 AQo, trips on the river - call or raise?

01-26-2013 , 06:05 AM
Villain 1 (405) – 30s, looks like a motorbike type, has seen him iso raising with J9o from CO, limp-calling in various positions, but has not showed too much aggresion yet, more on the passive side but loose.
Villain 2 (300) – weak passive fish, UTG
Villain 3 (700) – guy in 40s, very rich, knows each other with me. He is tilting a little because he gave me 200 after 20 minutes I have been on the table where I had JJ and 3betted and shipped flop, then two orbits later I raised limped pot with AA, and stacked of 200bb on KdQd7s, no flush came. He raised my cbet 70 to 250 on the flop and I shipped. He raises Ax hands to 20 and all pairs to 20 as well. He likes to be in every hand, so if I 3bet, he calls very wide. He is able to 4bet small pair here against me, because he is just obsessed now with me and will not give me much credit I thinkg. He will 4bet 99+ and probably AQ+.
Hero (800) – 27, TAG, has showed two hands, JJ and AA, both won maximum.
Villain 4 (200) – tight guy in his 40s, did not show anything much yet. No reads except that he played maybe 4 hands in last hour (more than Hero I think).

Action:
Villain 2 limps UTG, Villain 3 raises to 20 on UTG+1, hero calls on the CO with AhQc, Villain 4 calls on the BTN and Villain 1 calls on the BB.

Pot 82, Flop Qd7d4c, check to hero who bets 65. Villain 1 on BB calls calls.
Pot 212, Qd7d4c – 8s, Villain 1 checks, Hero checks.
Pot 212, Qd7d4c8s – Qh. Villain 1 quickly bets 210 and leaves himself 110. Hero?

I am definetely at least calling but was not sure, wheter I should raise. Also I don't know about the check on the turn. The 8 was not a flush card, but I felt weird about it and did not want to bet/fold the hand - either to made hand or draws such as Adxd, 8d5d and others. He had the right stack to check/raise me allin and I would not know what to do, if I bet to 140 and he raise to 320 allin. I decided to check, and hope that he might then think my check on the turn is sign of weakness and try to steal it on the river if flush will not come. Or call my bet wider if check to me. My plan was to call bet big as psb on any non-diamond river and bet/call too.

Thoughts about turn and river play?

Last edited by imvv11; 01-26-2013 at 06:08 AM. Reason: typo in the title
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01-26-2013 , 09:19 AM
V1 has tons of diamond draws and 56s and villain is passive and cally so theoretically the best thing to do is bet the turn because we shouldn´t pass up a value bet, and we shouldn´t give him a free card to beat us.

Pot control is a viable option, too. Checking here on the turn means you will 100% get paid off by a worse Queen, possible any pair, and of course you can induce bluffs.

Both plays are valid, and I will use both from time to time, although for this villain I think prefer a bet.

If villain is passive, we can betfold the turn. Don´t be afraid of getting bluffed. The vast majority of hands that will c/c flop, c/r turn have you crushed. Sometimes he´ll get a semibluff through, but not enough to make calling it off correct in the long term.

River is a call. He reps two things and two things only. Fullhouse and busted flush. Raise is just throwing away $100 when he has it.
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01-27-2013 , 07:41 AM
Thank you for comment. I thought about the same thing on the turn. I could bet/fold there or check and get value on the river or bluff catch. But decided to check behind - I just had some feeling he will put me on something like TP which I am able to fold - he was playing bad, but I thought he can kinda sense some weakness and use it, because he did not care that much about money on the table as some other players. And would sometimes raise with worse and I would had to fold. Therefore I checked with the risk of flush card on the river.

I called the river and he showed Qs2s and was totally surprised I did not raise. I did not comment it but was not sure, if I really should not raise.
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01-27-2013 , 08:03 AM
There´s only one Queen left, and the times he´d have Q7, Q8, Q4 44, 77, 88, you are still behind his river calling range even if he played every Queen exactly like this.

Addendum

Don´t heed to the advice of players who call a 10bb raise from UTG+1 whilst holding Q2s in the BB. When they say something, use it to take more money from them.
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