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1-2 Aq 400 bb deep effective facing cold 3-bet on flop 1-2 Aq 400 bb deep effective facing cold 3-bet on flop

12-20-2014 , 07:21 PM
This hand took place late night, another table had just broken, and villain came from there.

Reads

UTG- Late 50's bearded tatooed biker type, pretty bad. Seen him open QQ to 50 preflop, then show after winning the $3 in blinds. Stack about $375.

UTG+1- Just moved from broken table, only seen him in one hand, in which he check raised a paired board on the turn and took it down. White kid, late 20s maybe early 30s, seems competent. Stack size around $800.

Hero- white 40 yr old, look younger, wearing hoodie and covers table. Been playing tight aggressive, only gone to showdown with the goods, though villian in this hand wouldn't know this as I haven't played a hand since he moved over.

Have Aqo on the button, utg limps, utg+1 raises to 15, 2 callers, I flat on button, utg flats. Thought about squeezing, but this was villains first open, plus I'd seen a queen flipped over while someone was mucking. 3bets had been getting called by everyone at this table, and didn't want to play a massively over inflated pot against an unknown raiser 400 bb deep effective.

Pot $75

Flop Ac8s6d

Checks to me, I bet $50 utg raises to $100, original raiser cold 3bets to $225, folds around to me.

Hero?

Last edited by kre8tive; 12-20-2014 at 07:47 PM.
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12-20-2014 , 07:26 PM
Fold, you don't even have TPTK.

Edit; I'd fold pre too, don't feel the need to invest $50 with AQo against a relatively unknown player with nothing previously invested in the hand.
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12-20-2014 , 07:33 PM
Sorry, but I'm never folding Aq on the button in this game to a single raise. If it was 3bet before me I can a fold, but after a raise, 2 calls and an almost certain overcall behind im risking 15 to win 75, and Aq has plenty of enough equity against their ranges to justify a call.

Last edited by kre8tive; 12-20-2014 at 07:39 PM.
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12-20-2014 , 07:38 PM
seems competent, raises 25x? Um

This spot sucks readless. If we were like 200bb deep I'd just 3b pre and never fold figuring it's more likely villain is splashing than making a ridiculous protection overbet with KK+ based solely on his physical appearance and his raise.

I still think the splashy theory is more likely but not sure we should be piling in 400bb here.

Personally I'd probably fold pre. I don't think it's optimal, but it may be best if you have no idea what to do in the rest of the hand.
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12-20-2014 , 07:41 PM
Also if I'm right about villain actually being super loose and actiony, not knowing about him is a leak even if he spent the whole night at another table. Unless you play in an absolutely massive room, there's no reason you can't look at other tables every couple of orbits, see what's going on, see if you should be moving to another table.
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12-20-2014 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kre8tive
Sorry, but I'm never folding Aq on the button in this game to a single raise. If it was 3bet before me I can a fold, but after a raise, 2 calls and an almost certain overcall behind im risking 15 to win 75, and Aq has plenty of enough equity against their ranges to justify a call.
If the PFR was to 15 and not 50 then yes call all day, but 25x open lol? I think you made a typo in your OP.
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12-20-2014 , 07:46 PM
preflop raises since off, did you mean raise 15?

flat pre is ok (assuming it's not 50, if so snap fold vs a perceived tricky LAG player) but I will check back flop. This can be a WA (JJ+) /WB (AA, AK) situation since we don't have a solid read on Villain2.

ap, fold now.
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12-20-2014 , 07:47 PM
I did, oops, he raised to 15 pre.
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12-20-2014 , 07:54 PM
I fold in this case. I am not sure whether you are against trips or AK.
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12-20-2014 , 08:38 PM
Easy fold. .... Never folding AQ on button here
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12-20-2014 , 09:11 PM
Oh that changes everything

As played your line is fine (I much prefer calling pre over 3b here because utg+1 probably has a tight range and we want to keep utg in the hand), flop bet is ok (though you might consider betting a bit smaller and going for two streets of value from worse than TP -- the PFR shouldn't have top pair after checking flop, UTG might but you should think about what his preflop l/c range is -- does he do this with ace-rag?) With this flop action it's a pretty trivial fold. The questions you should be asking are "Can V be bluffing?" and "Can V be betting for value with a worse hand?" Both are likely a resounding no. Especially since you need to ask that for two players.
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12-21-2014 , 10:16 AM
DK, should a good player even have a cold 3betting range OTF here? Why wouldn't the PFR just flat the flop c/r with gin?
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12-21-2014 , 11:56 AM
Easy fold.
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12-21-2014 , 03:39 PM
Pretty much a snap fold imo.
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