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07-31-2011 , 04:20 PM
Villain 1: Played with him before; extremely loose pre-flop and calls usually up to $15 after limp. Bets big and raises a high percentage of the time when he thinks his opponent is weak and may fold.

Hero’s image: tight and likely straightforward for now since I bet big and stacked two players earlier this session with good hands. But villain knows I can make big bluffs.

During this session, I stacked this player by raising with AQ, hitting a Q on the flop and barreling big on the flop and shoving all in on the turn with TPTK.

Previous session, I tripled barrel bluffed into him on a board with straight and flush possibilities (putting $280 my entire stack into the hand) and he called the all in on the river with A4. TPNK.

$1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG: V ($250ish)
UTG+1: H ($550ish)

Hero is dealt A Q

Villain raises preflop to $45. Hero calls the $45 and folds around back to the villain.

While the villain is extremely LAG, maybe LAGTARD but I may be
misusing the term, I thought the villain was doing this with high pocket pairs, KK-JJs. Even for him $45 raise under the gun was rare and he seemed to be playing tighter than usually after losing a couple of deep buy ins this session.
Flop ($92 in pot): A 10 7 (not sure about the suits unfortunately but I think rainbow)

Villain checks and I check.

I thought if the villain had something like pocket Kings, he would check as he would be afraid of the ace and thought he would likely bet on the turn if I checked behind.

Turn ($92 in pot): 3

Villain checks and I bet $70. Villain calls.

Because the hand is going pretty much how I planned (though would’ve preferred the villain betting into me on the turn), I thought my read of him being on a pocket pair and was afraid of the ace was correct. I am now trying to get his stack in by the river. Considering hand history and the villain's tendencies I believe that the villain is perfectly capable of calling off his stack with KKs or QQs especially to me.

River ($232 in post): J

Villain checks and hero goes all in for about $140 (Villain’s stack). Good move? Bad move?

I hope I was able to decently explain the hand. I must say that I did procrastinate a bit and my memory isn’t perfect but hopefully, this post more or less captured the circumstances of the hand.

I will post the results after some feedback. Thanks.

Last edited by Kankoku; 07-31-2011 at 04:34 PM.
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07-31-2011 , 04:43 PM
Why not bet flop if you think he'll call you down as light as A no kicker? KK or QQ is basically the same thing unless you've found that he over values top pair. I think this is a perfectly fine play. You've got to go for river value bets against stations.
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07-31-2011 , 04:44 PM
$45 pre? Is that a typo?
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07-31-2011 , 04:48 PM
Yeah, you are definitely right. I would also be able to do this with A no kicker. I also did believe that he would call a flop bet but I didn't think I needed three streets to get his stack in. While not significantly different, I thought it would be more likely that he'd call a turn and river bet than another bet pattern.

$45 pre. Haha no. Not a typo.
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07-31-2011 , 04:54 PM
post flop is totally fine. I'm still thinking about pre tho....wtf? I don't like calling 20% of my stack off especially with having the rest of the table behind me to act. Are you just folding flops u miss? Such a weird spot...

is this a common open size for villain?
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07-31-2011 , 04:58 PM
Don't like your preflop call. Has he been doing this often? Also, if someone behind you raises, you fold, right? What's his range here? You say it's fairly nutted, JJ-KK but this could easily include AA and AK. Doesn't sound like you're willing to stack off if you hit a Q so it sounds like you're looking to hit an Ace and have him not bet into you.

Fold pre.
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07-31-2011 , 05:06 PM
@skleice

He does these crazy plays enough times so I guess the $45 pre didn't surprise me as much. Yeah, I guess if I completely missed on the flop, no flush, straight or anything I would've folded. Though, I thought I would definitely get at least one and most likely his stack from him if I did hit. Not sure if that's a flawed logic.

@Jeeraph

Yea that is true. If someone raises behind me I thought I would have to fold but I thought that was highly unlikely with me holding AQ and the villain likely having KK-JJs. It is also true that I was not necessarily willing to stack off with if I hit my Q. Though I will say that AK was not in his range when he made it $45 pre. I guess he could have had aces but I thought that was highly unlikely consider I had AQ.

I guess most people are advocating the fold-pre option?
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07-31-2011 , 05:10 PM
if you're going to play it, you could just ship it pre.
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07-31-2011 , 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
if you're going to play it, you could just ship it pre.
I don't like a call but I really don't like a ship. A call is probably burning $45 but a ship is awful with the whole table behind you and when you think utg is strong.
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07-31-2011 , 05:41 PM
Ya, that's what sux. If you call and get action behind you you've burned 20% of your stack. If you ship and get action you're destroyed when the money goes in. Not too mention that villains UTG range should be significantly strong.
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07-31-2011 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeraph
I don't like a call but I really don't like a ship. A call is probably burning $45 but a ship is awful with the whole table behind you and when you think utg is strong.
i don't see $45 pre into a $3 pot as strong. i see it as a joke.
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07-31-2011 , 05:44 PM
I'd just gamble in this spot if this is standard for the villain. Ship it pre. Calling sucks
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07-31-2011 , 06:01 PM
I'd fold pre. as played, i'd bet flop and commit. as played, i'd bet turn like you did.
river J is terrible for your hand. you don't beat JJ or AJ anymore. not even the JTs.
You shoved to get value from 6 combos of KK and 3 combos of QQ (I guess he doesn't raise to 45 pre with A8/A9). even those are somewhat unlikely to call you (I realize villian is a maniac). He really can't beat anything with his KK/QQ... villian may have slowplayed AA, TT, AT, AK or caught up with JJ, AJ or even JT or KQ... I really think I check behind there... among the strong starting hands (which villian is expected to have, given his pre raising size), there are many more combos that beat us than combos we beat...
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07-31-2011 , 07:11 PM
I definitely disagree with shipping it pre. With my stack quite deep 225+ BBs and with other players with 200+ BBs. I will say from playing against this player, I was quite sure that his range would not contain anything other than pocket pairs. While he was superlag, there's no reason for him to make it $45 instead of his standard $15 and $20 preflop raises with hands such as Ax, KQ, JT, etc unless he decided to completely deviate from his normal play.
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07-31-2011 , 07:12 PM
My mistake I misread the stack size. If at 100bb's I would still ship with all the dead money in the pot.
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07-31-2011 , 09:18 PM
The Result:

Spoiler:
Villain calls, shows Pocket Tens and has a set


Feel free to give me any more feedback on my river decision. Thanks.
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07-31-2011 , 10:41 PM
obviously, if that's what he showed up with, you should have just checked behind on the river.
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