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1/2 AKs oop in 3bet pot 1/2 AKs oop in 3bet pot

02-16-2015 , 09:39 PM
Sat down one orbit ago with 300. Villain covers. Hero is 20 something white male. Villain mid 40s white male, seems a tiny bit tipsy, has a vodka redbull in his drinkholder.

Only hand of note: Opened 910o in the cutoff and was 3 bet to 25 from villain on the button. I folded.

I open AK hearts from hijack, villain 3 bets to 25 in the cutoff. Blinds fold. I call. Flop 8h 8s 3c. I x, villain bets 35. This is a great texture for him to cbet 100% of the time. I decide to call because Im still ahead of AQ, AJs, KQs and I expect the villain to play straight forward after I call flop. Also have backdoor hearts. I call. Pot ~110

Turn Kd. Hero?
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02-16-2015 , 09:41 PM
Xc turn. If x then bet river.
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02-16-2015 , 09:53 PM
You've played this like a bluff catcher so far, so I'd continue that and check/call the turn and river. You could lead the river if it gets checked through, but I'm not sure how often you are getting a call by worse. It may be a bit more profitable to check and give the "tipsy" guy a chance to bluff at it.
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02-16-2015 , 09:58 PM
Fold the flop. Preflop was fine.
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02-16-2015 , 10:03 PM
Check turn, gii if he bets, fire river if he doesn't. There aren't many 8s in his 3! range.
Did you consider re-raising preflop? V 3! you off a hand a lap earlier, so it is possible he is 3! light here preflop. Since you'll be OOP post flop, re raising pre might have been a good choice.
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02-16-2015 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jayg320
Fold the flop. Preflop was fine.
so you're ok with giving up every time you don't hit the flop? That's gonna be exploited like crazy. Still a good shot hes ahead on the flop.
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02-16-2015 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jayg320
Fold the flop. Preflop was fine.
Lol why
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02-16-2015 , 10:08 PM
Eh, ya know what, with the pf 3-bet you may be right. Would need a read to not have v on a pp
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02-16-2015 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyyyyyG
Lol why
i thought it was a silly post at first too...but the guy 3 bet pre. prob doesnt have AK so ud have to know if he is the type who can 3bet pre with suited connectors or random broadway cards. otherwise its a pp
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02-16-2015 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
Check turn, gii if he bets, fire river if he doesn't. There aren't many 8s in his 3! range.
Did you consider re-raising preflop? V 3! you off a hand a lap earlier, so it is possible he is 3! light here preflop. Since you'll be OOP post flop, re raising pre might have been a good choice.
I thought briefly about 4 betting pre but I think villain folds hands we are crushing like A10 KQs or AJ. I didnt love having to play oop though.

What's your logic on getting it in here? No disrespect, just honestly want to hear the thought process behind it.
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02-16-2015 , 10:26 PM
I think you're way ahead of his range and that AK is pretty close to the nuts here, as played. It feels MUBSY to think V has AA every time he 3! preflop. From Vs perspective, H can have a lot of Broadway combinations that don't include a K, so he's likely to keep firing turn with a PP. You've played only a lap with this guy. I don't think he's three betting light even with the experience that he blasted you off a hand once already. So 8x isn't a big part of his range and neither is 33. You could take a bet, bet line but I'd expect V to continue on the turn given the 3! preflop and Cbet OTF. It's unlikely he slows down here so c/r should work and if checks behind, you can get value on river. A lot of players think that if they check behind on the turn, they kind of commit themselves to bluff catching the river. So you can check and still get value if he checks behind. I guess a shove might be too big relative to the size of the pot, given stacks. So maybe c/r, then bet the river? But, once the K hits, I'm definitely looking to get in stacks.

Last edited by Dutchstreetfish; 02-16-2015 at 10:27 PM. Reason: Typo
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02-16-2015 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
I think you're way ahead of his range and that AK is pretty close to the nuts here, as played. It feels MUBSY to think V has AA every time he 3! preflop. From Vs perspective, H can have a lot of Broadway combinations that don't include a K, so he's likely to keep firing turn with a PP. You've played only a lap with this guy. I don't think he's three betting light even with the experience that he blasted you off a hand once already. So 8x isn't a big part of his range and neither is 33. You could take a bet, bet line but I'd expect V to continue on the turn given the 3! preflop and Cbet OTF. It's unlikely he slows down here so c/r should work and if checks behind, you can get value on river. A lot of players think that if they check behind on the turn, they kind of commit themselves to bluff catching the river. So you can check and still get value if he checks behind. I guess a shove might be too big relative to the size of the pot, given stacks. So maybe c/r, then bet the river? But, once the K hits, I'm definitely looking to get in stacks.
if v has any instincts though, that K hits his range pretty hard. we could have a WAWB situation here. if he gets super aggro here, v is probably folding. If he is going to bet I'd prefer a value bet that may entice v to continue with his PP rather than a shove of 240 into a 110 pot. I'd bet 50
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02-16-2015 , 10:35 PM
I would really want to know if V is the kind of player who will 3 bet 89s. Doubt he 3bets 33, but plenty of LLSNL players have learned the 3b of 89s and 9Ts and hands like that.

If this guy is not the player who does that, we are smashing him, and then the question is how do we get the most money off of him
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02-16-2015 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9
I would really want to know if V is the kind of player who will 3 bet 89s. Doubt he 3bets 33, but plenty of LLSNL players have learned the 3b of 89s and 9Ts and hands like that.

If this guy is not the player who does that, we are smashing him, and then the question is how do we get the most money off of him
He didnt strike me as a guy who would 3b really light, more like a guy who would 3b a "pretty" hand like suited broadway. Obviously this is all just guesswork with one orbit of experience with the guy
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02-16-2015 , 10:45 PM
So you are hoping hes looking at KQs. No 8s in his range. I bet 50 and shoving any river if he calls. You should be golden right now
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02-16-2015 , 10:49 PM
Doubt V has an 8. I would check-call here. K is a great card to 2nd barrel for this V. Let him fire away. Any decent size turn bet from V should make the pot big enough for hero to shove the river.
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02-16-2015 , 11:08 PM
4b pre
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02-17-2015 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9
i thought it was a silly post at first too...but the guy 3 bet pre. prob doesnt have AK so ud have to know if he is the type who can 3bet pre with suited connectors or random broadway cards. otherwise its a pp
Lol..... No
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02-17-2015 , 12:18 AM
OP you floating here is great. Turned the gin card. I'm c/raising here looking to jam all rivers
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02-17-2015 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyyyyyG
OP you floating here is great. Turned the gin card. I'm c/raising here looking to jam all rivers
You're calling off if he b/3bs turn?
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02-17-2015 , 02:50 AM
Easy check/call. Check/shove river.
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02-17-2015 , 03:47 AM
This seems like a great time to 4bet pre flop.
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02-17-2015 , 06:16 AM
Check/ship turn.
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