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1/2-AJs Facing shove PF 1/2-AJs Facing shove PF

05-07-2013 , 12:00 AM
1/2 full table...

Villain 1-$120-30s-40s asain. clearly on tilt has just reloaded for the 3rd time. this time for 120. Hero felted him in this hand..

89HH, hero raised to 20 pf from the CO. villain limp/calls.. 2 other callers. Flop 3h4h7d Hero bets 50, rest fold, villain calls. turn 7h. villain shoves for about 225, hero calls. river 5d. villain shows 54os.

thats kind of how he was playing in general. shoving at some point in the hand and getting called.

very next hand..

Hero-$1400- winning image moslty due to the villain here.

SB- $250- 40s male, playing pretty passively so far. called a few raises but has been staying out of the action for the most part.
BTN- $600- 60ish is male, calling plenty of raises PF, bets super hard with his made hands post flop. not afraid to get his money in and has no concept of relative strength(still betting a straight as the nuts when flush made it and couldnt fold to shove, insta calling shove with trips no kicker)
BB-30-40 woman. recently sat down but has played a few hands. not very aggressive but calls a lot pf and doenst like to fold TP.

Hero dealt AJhh in the CO. villain limps from MP, Hero makes it 20. BTN, SB, BB call, villain shoves...

now in hindsight i shouldve raised even more PF but with villain being the only limper i figured i had a strong chance to isolate him. in previous hands everyone seemd to be happy getting out of the way.

im pretty confident i have our villain smashed.. but im concerned somone else could be slow playing a stronger hand then mine.

i fear calling could create a bloated pot in which i was dominated or OOP.

on the other hand. if i shove i could walk right into a monster.. not as likely i think but i dunno.
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05-07-2013 , 12:41 AM
a little confused about something here. have BTN, BB and SB been regularly folding to your pre-flop raises or to bigger 4-bets? you mention BTN and BB have been calling a lot PF but also they've been getting out of your way.

I think you have to fold here as AJ isn't a great hand in this spot multi-way especially if they've previously been folding to your pre-flop raises. But if you think they'll fold to $120 then it would be worth calling Villain 1. Really a read-dependent situation.

agree heads up vs. villain 1 this is an easy call with villain 1 short-stacked, tilting and seems to be playing ATC.

Last edited by 702guy; 05-07-2013 at 12:48 AM. Reason: computer posted when I wasn't finished wtf
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05-07-2013 , 01:00 AM
You were in the CO twice in a row?
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05-07-2013 , 01:08 AM
Regardless I guess, I think you have to raise (to isolate) or fold. With a re-raise on top of a 3-bet shove I'm thinking the others are getting out of the way unless they have AA/KK.

I'd be less concerned about them having a better hand (or hand they couldn't release) since even blind fish notice you just raised the same amount the hand before with 89. They have likely done a short term opening of their calling range. LAG's make their profit here. You basically have a short term image of one, so play like one. Raise.
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05-07-2013 , 01:23 AM
i was in HJ the hand.. CO in the previous one. my mistake
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05-07-2013 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 702guy
a little confused about something here. have BTN, BB and SB been regularly folding to your pre-flop raises or to bigger 4-bets? you mention BTN and BB have been calling a lot PF but also they've been getting out of your way.

I think you have to fold here as AJ isn't a great hand in this spot multi-way especially if they've previously been folding to your pre-flop raises. But if you think they'll fold to $120 then it would be worth calling Villain 1. Really a read-dependent situation.

agree heads up vs. villain 1 this is an easy call with villain 1 short-stacked, tilting and seems to be playing ATC.

well other players werent raising as much as me. i had been playing to isolate the guy in question. but when other players would open they woudl make it 12-15 and everyone would get in... im sure u guys experience that a lot too
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05-07-2013 , 01:30 AM
man, sounds like a juicy game. $20 raises getting multiple calls.

anyway, tough spot. doubt you are up against a monster here from one of the two callers. guess the SS could walk into AA or KK but i'm willing to take the chance. AJ suited is the nuts against him.

i mean, you raised to $20 with 89 suited ... are the two people who cold-called you capable enough to flat a monster because of your aggressiveness or will they 3-bet their monsters regardless?
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05-07-2013 , 02:19 AM
This is such a weird spot.

I have sat here and thought about the pros and cons of all three plays.

I think I am just going to lay this hand down.

I dont like calling based on the description of the player OTB.

And I dont want to bloat this pot OOP with my Ajs, and then get in a spot where I really overplayed my hand.
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05-07-2013 , 02:55 AM
grunch: fold

if villain has a good hand (even any pair) just don't let him get much value from it. try to get to flop as much as possible and value bet him/call him to death when you connect. for 100 more i'm fine letting the 20 go.

i would think even in hyper aggressive games, an open to 20 is pretty big at 1-2...
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05-07-2013 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 85chickasaw
grunch: fold

if villain has a good hand (even any pair) just don't let him get much value from it. try to get to flop as much as possible and value bet him/call him to death when you connect. for 100 more i'm fine letting the 20 go.

i would think even in hyper aggressive games, an open to 20 is pretty big at 1-2...
where i play its kind of my standard open believe it or not.. its not really hyper aggressive but people just love to call 10-17 raises all day and i hate playing 5-6 handed
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05-07-2013 , 03:23 AM
Min raise villain's shove. You'll find out real quick if someone has AA/KK.
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