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1-2 AhTh on QsJc5h 8h, vs. short stack almost shove 1-2 AhTh on QsJc5h 8h, vs. short stack almost shove

10-16-2023 , 03:27 PM
V1 no real reads, not been here long and not played a lot of hands though ... so better than usual any2.
V2 playing wide, and gambling. Would be the spot except for V3.
V3 playing super wide and straddling a lot and calling down with bad hands at bluffing randomly at rivers ... down piles but has 300+.
V4 playing wide and mostly trying to exploit V3 by raising good hands big and either raising or calling post, up a lot but mostly V3's money.
H who knows esp. vs. V1, raising a bunch but overlimped a couple of times. Covers everyone.

OTTH

V1 is SB
V2 is UTG straddle for $5
V3 throws out $5
V4 throws out $5
H thinks about raising AT, but decides to be a calling station for a bunch of reasons (V3 probably never folding for $35, and V4 might come along too). Maybe EV in buying the BTN with a raise, but...
Folds to SB who makes it $10
V2, V3, V4 all call.
Hero doesn't like it but lol at anything but calling here closing the action.

Pot: $52 - 7
Flop: QsJc5
SB leads for $20
Folds to hero
Hero thinks how bad can it be HU and calls (mistake?). Small chance hero is in front, overcard, gutter and BDFD ... T might be good too.

Pot: $85 (40 + 52 - 7)
Turn: QsJc5 8
SB bets $80 ... and at this point hero realizes SB only has $26 behind.
Hero 99% sure he needs to hit now, and not a T, but this is probably the best card in the deck that isn't a K.
Hero fully transforms into a 1-2 calling station and calls praying to hit.


Any comments welcome, after the hand I felt like I should do something different somewhere ... I just don't know where.
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10-16-2023 , 03:39 PM
I probably raise big pre to like $40.

Now, I think it's mostly post odds question and its close.

If we have 15 outs (to straight or flush) rule of 2 says we have about 30% so we're just about getting the odds, given that Aces might be also outs, and our implied odds include the last $26 of course.

However we may be facing 2 pair or a set in which case not all those outs are good.

Feels very very close; can't be much of a mistake either way.
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10-16-2023 , 04:04 PM
Dont limp pre, raise this to at least 30$

Ap , not sure what to make of this min raise , i probably still 3bet to like 65$ cuz *** it why not. Although i would never limp this hand to begin with.

Flop is a fold, i know you got the bdnf and gutter but its a 5way multiway pot, ranges are narrow. Maybe if you guys were a lot deeper i can see calling being good but at this stack depth its just a punt.

Turn is a call, you have 33% odds with your dblgutter nfd your getting direct odds and also his 26$ thats behind if you hit your hand.
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10-16-2023 , 05:41 PM
Fold the flop. Turn is whatever. Its about as close to neutral EV as you can get. So id fold or jam for his remaining to plant that seed you will raise turn without a made hand if you miss. Probably never calling at this stack depth as I think the advertisement of playing super loose and aggressive will more than make up for the $8 you lose in EV or whatever.
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10-17-2023 , 12:54 PM
Huge mistake not raising pre. V3 never folding is fine, you are ahead of his calling range and your equity / EV in a mega multiway pot is trash. Best case you isolate v3 and you have the best hand, and knock others out of the pot.

I agree flop is a fold at this stack depth vs this many players.

Turn as played I think it is a continue. Either call and possibly hero call river with ace high or jam and hope he can sometimes have KT or an unpaired backdoor flush to make this go from slightly negative EV to slightly positive EV.
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