Hero- Winning player. Really good looking. Most players at the table avoid me when they can. It's early in the day and the table is playing pretty passively so I've been taking every opportunity to push them around. The only hand I've shown is QQ which was run down by a straight draw. Stack covers table.

V1- He's pretty nitty when he has a deeper stack. He's currently only got $160 which means he's a little looser preflop. I've never seen him get out of line at all post flop. He is definitely afraid of me. He often will ask my opinion on situations off the table. He looks like Dr. Miles Dyson who is responsible for the creation of Skynet.

V2- I have tangled with this villain many times before. He considers himself a hustler. He plays almost every hand. He is prone to trapping with big pairs. I have never seen him bluff post flop however, which makes him pretty easy to play against. If he thinks he's got a hand (overpair or better) he'll pump it up. He'll chase draws as well. Otherwise, he stays out of the way post flop. He looks like Morgan Freeman. Stack $250.

Hand: Morgan limps in EP. Folds to Hero in HJ. I raise to $15 with J8o. Dyson calls. Morgan calls.

I'm doing this with anything remotely playable at this time in the game as I'm just not getting any resistance. I expect one caller and almost always a fold on the flop. Getting two callers was not ideal, but not terrible from these particular two since they'll play very predictably against me.

Flop: T55 ($47)
Morgan checks. Hero bets $20. Dyson calls. Morgan folds.

Rather mundane flop. Dyson would have raised a 5, which means he's got a ten or a club draw. Morgan having a 5 was a possibility, but obviously he's not a problem anymore.

Turn:T553 ($87)
Dyson donks $20. Hero thinks for a second and moves all in for $105 more.

It's a PSB. The tiny donk bet was almost assuredly a blocking bet, and in my mind he won't call with anything at all. Too brave?

Normally, I'd love the line. In this case though, you are setting up very negative future EV when Dyson sends a Terminator after you for bullying him.

Per your description, Dyson can have QQ-AA as well, and his "feeler" bet is because he's scared you have a 5. But lots of times, they don't believe you.

I'm all for pushing the passives around, but I rarely think you have to get all-in when you do it.

if he's scared of you then all for it since he's probably blocking with the intention of b/f.

hopefully he didn't just read millers playing beyond ABC where he suggests leading small into aggressive players with weaker value hands expecting them to spazz raise with atc bc its an ego trip to fold to a tiny bet in a large pot.

I like it.

You might get some "spew" comments from the peanut gallery but it is clear you had a plan for the hand, and also a good feel for villain ranges on that flop.

You should be folding out all 10s, all mid pocket pairs, and all flush draws...which I would say is his range here with what looks like an obvious blocker bet ott.

Unless you know he's calling off with a ten or flush draw anyway (that can beat jack high) or if you know he is capable if an inducing bet with a 5, I like your shove.

Then again I do this and get called by 10 8 off and wonder why I even try.

i like the shove in this spot. sounds like fd? how often is he calling you with A-10 here?

pm hand result?

HJ might be a *little* early for the iso attempt, but if those behind us are tight, I see myself doing this as well at this type of table.

Not the greatest of flops as no pocket pair is ever folding to us on this board, imo. I could go either way on a cbet, but I don't mind it. I like the fact you made it on the small side which means it's just that much easier for it to be profitable.

I'm probably done with the hand unless perhaps a high card comes which I could rep. I just fold to the turn donk. I don't like the bluff at all. He only has a PSB left, I just don't think he's donking to fold, especially against aggro us, especially not deepstacked.

Ha, reminds me of my attempt at a bluff raise on the river last time out. The pot is a big $200 on a J84QTccc board and Villain donks a measily $25 into two players on the river (with the river card Tc completing straight and flush draws). The turn was checked thru, so there's a good chance villain has a weak hand like two pair or whatever, or perhaps even a 9x straight, and doesn't know what to do. Folds to me (the preflop raiser), and I think Villain is weak and can easily put nitty me (I'm sitting on the big $1000 stack at the table and haven't played a pot in 2 hours) on a flush or even the nut AK straight. I raise to $150. Villain, who already has his chips in a rack cuz he's going home on this hand, shoves for $300+ total. I fold and he shows his measly 99 which is like the eleventeenth hundredth nut hand on this board. Not only could he not be bluffed off it, but apparently 99 was ~nuttish enough for him to ship the rest of his chips in. Bluffing idiots is hard to do.

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Ya, CO, BTN were pretty un involved.
yup on the cbet size. Sizing was intended to give wiggle room on turn. Turned out it was important.
Interesting that you're read of the donk bet was the opposite of mine. I interpreted it as donking for the exact reason of folding to a raise. How do you arrive at your conclusion? I was worried that the raise wasn't enough to drive him away so in that sense it was marginal.

I don't like it. His line is a weak line, but I don't see it as a I'm so weak I'm going to fold my hand. What range are you trying to rep here? Out of that range what do you think he thinks you have? According to the range that he puts you on what does the math say he should do? (He needs 31% equity). I think you'll find that its pretty close for him to call. I personally think you should be valuing with your stack size not air balling.

APD- these are all valid questions. I attribute mostly level 1 thinking to V so my hand is much less important than him seeing an all in and only having a FD,weak T, or mid PP. Ditto for the math. I don't think he does the math. I paused before shoving because I knew the shove was relatively small. My read overall on him as a player is that he's weak. My read for the hand was that he's definitely weak. Combine that with the fact that he only sees me for strong and not necessarily for a range and I figured it was good. Definitely debatable though, hence the post.

Do villains donk/fold non scary boards in your game, especially with these remaining stacks? Sure, it probably is a weak hand like a T just attempting to get to showdown for cheap, but it's also never folding if played back at either.

I agree with gobbley. Too many times I see 10 8o or J10 make this call here in a 1-2 game. Especially when they are not deep. They see top pair only $100 left and there is no way they are folding. You're gonna have to show them JJ+. That's why I usually just wait for JJ+ because you're getting paid off from 109o and such a lot. And a few times I will see villain make this call with A high fd or even K high fd. That would be very embarassing when he calls and K high wins. I think I wait for better spots to bluff. This isn't an ideal board to bluff on imo and with such small stack size from villain I think you are just giving away $160 most of the time.

I hate everything about this hand. Just fold pre. You are setting up a bad RIO spot for yourself with a low SPR whenever you flop top pair. If you are going to try to rep an overpair, your flop bet is way, way too small. A $40 flop bet would be a lot more convincing, and I'd probably give up on the turn if someone calls that flop bet since they really need to have AT at a minimum to make that call and a FD would probably shove or fold on a paired board.

The turn shove over a donk bet is even worse since V obviously has some type of hand and even if it's a weak 10, he's probably going to sigh-call you for another $80.

What exactly are you trying to rep by betting so small on the flop after raising $15 PF? A5? TT? I'd probably snap you off with any T here and obviously never folding a 5. I might even call with 77-99 for $80. Even worse, you shoved so V can make you show first regardless of what he has.

Love that you always say "Hero is good looking" in all your threads.

I say fold pre, J8o doesn't play well vs limp callers.

Otf your sizing has to be way bigger if you want folds. I say go 3/4ths or full pot after rake.

Ott hand gets really sloppy, raising a player after c/c donk seems to thin.

If you're able to bully him and have fold equity I love the play.

However, we probably don't have many outs if he calls - always leave outs. Apart from that, great.