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11-25-2013 , 10:04 PM
Hi everyone, would like to see how you guys decipher this hand:

Me: $380ish, SB
Opponent: $550ish, Cutoff, relatively new, only hands saw him showing down so far was when he raised his straddle to 20, earlier limper shoves for $100, he calls with 56o and hits fh. Next hand he straddles again (due to new player buying the puck) & raises to 40, and got jacks to shove into him when he had kings. So quite LAG & getting his hands.

Hand

Preflop: folded to him, he opens for 7, button calls, I 3-bet AK to $33. He thinks, and button called out of turn, so he calls.

Flop: 726 all
Pot: ~$100
I check, they both check behind.

Turn: 5
I check again, V bets $30, button folds, I raise $60 more ($90 total), thinking that if he has two pairs, a set, or even a straight with a diamond, doubt he can fold to a value bet without seeing the river where he may fill up, and might as well as get extra $ from him.
BUT, he thinks, and min RE-RAISES ME for another 70 on top.

This puzzles me, and got me thinking if he has 34, 89, or even 48. Those hands are def within his range. On top of that, I'm thinking what kind of hands would he be 3-betting here? I have the top 2 diamonds so I don't think he would do that with Q-high; he would just have called with set/2p there, and I 3-bet preflop oop so I'm more likely to be holding big cards than not. That's a pretty straight forward deduction for him to arrive at, so if he thinks I'm raising here with a big diamond, his 3-bet would make sense with a straight flush, because it's pretty obvious what I have.

Action is on me. ???
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11-25-2013 , 10:08 PM
Bet flop. Bet turn.

You played this hand so badly that I'd probably just call down now.
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11-25-2013 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Bet flop. Bet turn.

You played this hand so badly that I'd probably just call down now.
Elaborate please? How much would you bet each street?

Here's why I didn't bet.

On flop: I didn't bet because there really isn't much room for people's hand to improve - there aren't many viable draws out there so might as well slow down and get some value on later streets.

On turn: Now I really don't have a reason to bet here, as I said I have the top two diamonds, no one is gunna call (keep in mind it's 1/2) with a diamond, BUT they might bet with a diamond or a 2p/set type hand if the initial 3-bettor has checked two streets.
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11-25-2013 , 10:25 PM
fold pre if you're gonna play it this bad

really only 2 hands beat you because i think we can eliminate 84 from his range. i'm getting it in. if he has a str8 flush then here you go

Spoiler:
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11-25-2013 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Elaborate please? How much would you bet each street?

Here's why I didn't bet.

On flop: I didn't bet because there really isn't much room for people's hand to improve - there aren't many viable draws out there so might as well slow down and get some value on later streets.
Bet flop because if another diamond hits it kills your action. they call or raise with all over pairs and sets. how are you gonna get value when a diamond falls on the turn or river?

Bet $50-60 on flop
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11-25-2013 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Hi everyone, would like to see how you guys decipher this hand:

Me: $380ish, SB
Opponent: $550ish, Cutoff, relatively new, only hands saw him showing down so far was when he raised his straddle to 20, earlier limper shoves for $100, he calls with 56o and hits fh. Next hand he straddles again (due to new player buying the puck) & raises to 40, and got jacks to shove into him when he had kings. So quite LAG & getting his hands.

Hand

Preflop: folded to him, he opens for 7, button calls, I 3-bet AK to $33. He thinks, and button called out of turn, so he calls.

Flop: 726 all
Pot: ~$100
I check, they both check behind.

Turn: 5
I check again, V bets $30, button folds, I raise $60 more ($90 total), thinking that if he has two pairs, a set, or even a straight with a diamond, doubt he can fold to a value bet without seeing the river where he may fill up, and might as well as get extra $ from him.
BUT, he thinks, and min RE-RAISES ME for another 70 on top.

This puzzles me, and got me thinking if he has 34, 89, or even 48. Those hands are def within his range. On top of that, I'm thinking what kind of hands would he be 3-betting here? I have the top 2 diamonds so I don't think he would do that with Q-high; he would just have called with set/2p there, and I 3-bet preflop oop so I'm more likely to be holding big cards than not. That's a pretty straight forward deduction for him to arrive at, so if he thinks I'm raising here with a big diamond, his 3-bet would make sense with a straight flush, because it's pretty obvious what I have.

Action is on me. ???
bet flop, bet turn. Agreed with SABR42
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11-25-2013 , 10:31 PM
OTF, 2pair, pair+fd, pair+straight draw, sets, just fd... so much is calling, and they're expecting you to c-bet pretty much 100% after your oop pf 3bet. You NEED to lead otf.

AP, is less important because the problem is the flop. But what was your plan when you c/r ott?
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11-25-2013 , 10:53 PM
Hey bud, please bet flop. Then bet the turn. But now, flat his raise and let him continue to bluff. If he has a straight flush pay the guy off.
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11-25-2013 , 10:59 PM
Hey guys, thank you for your responses, I can see now how I wasn't thinking straight and missed a bet on the flop.

So, any insights into what he could have here that lead him to play the way he did on the turn? What should be my action on the turn?

ForesstGump, if I flat, what if a scary card come on the river (paired board, 4-card straight flush) and he ships? Or is it more likely to be a bluff than a set/2p there because he wouldn't 3-bet those hands?
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11-25-2013 , 11:08 PM
Also,
if I bet the flop, what's the rationale for betting on the turn?

If I didn't bet the flop, do I still bet the turn?
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11-25-2013 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
ForesstGump, if I flat, what if a scary card come on the river (paired board, 4-card straight flush) and he ships? Or is it more likely to be a bluff than a set/2p there because he wouldn't 3-bet those hands?
decide how much $ you feel its worth paying to see his cards and check/call if his bet is lower than your $ figure
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11-25-2013 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Also,
if I bet the flop, what's the rationale for betting on the turn?

If I didn't bet the flop, do I still bet the turn?
unfortunately on the turn, there is very little he will call you with that you beat probably. but you still bet both streets because you dont give him a free card if he has a set and he could boat up so you want to charge him for a poor call

not betting flop, with that turn, i'd check/call both streets

Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 11-25-2013 at 11:36 PM.
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11-25-2013 , 11:16 PM
You might find something like a set, where he's semi-bluffing to rep the Ad and hopes to fill up if called. He might have a 1-card sf draw and be doing the same thing. Doubt a made sf raises here, especially if your card room has a bad beat jackpot.
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11-25-2013 , 11:27 PM
I tried to read some of the replies, and most of your post, but to be honest once I got to the part where your flopped the nuts in a 3bet pot, where tons of worse hands can call and you checked, I sort of stopped being able to really care about what else was said.

Bet the flop.
Then bet the turn.
After that, if you still have money left I suppose that you could bet the river.
But you could also shove the river.

It looks like effective stacks in this hand are $300 or so after the flop.
So, bet the flop for ~$60 (into $100)
Bet the turn for $~120 (into $220 or even $280 if you get 2 calllers)
And ship the river for $120 into who the hell cares what as it's so big)

If you think they can call bigger bets on the turn, go for that too. We could think about betting bigger on the turn so that the river is lol small. If we go $70 otf, and get two callers, the pot will be $310 and we maybe just ship it right there for $230 into $310, but that might scare people off. Long story short, bet....
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