thanks, i'll look it up now.

if anything, the lack of a cbet was me just getting fancy (aka being stupid) rather than tired. i def understand where you're coming from with your criticism though.


my thought process was probably something along: they both just sat down and it was their 1st hand so i wasn't looking to fold them out to a cbet. they both probably have mid pairs, under pokect pairs or air, no donk bet so i felt neither had a big Q, at best they had a mid kicker with a Q

had i thought V2 was anywhere near as strong i would have def cbet and barreled and let him hang himself with raising the turn or river.

As played, I would only call the turn bet because raising over represents your hand and makes it difficult to get value from worse.

As far as checking the flop because you thought they were weak, when you have a hand that wants to build a pot, it's generally a bigger mistake to assume someone is weak when they're strong than to assume they're strong when they're weak. (As this hand illustrates.)

You give 1/2 players too much credit. This needs to be a raise for value, so much worse stays in without much consideration. If anything it was the sizing that got V to fold. I still wouldn't expect KK to fold to this, but sometimes a Qx will fold to this big of a raise if the V is a scared money type.

What casino? Sands?

Borgata

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please never post again if thats how u gonna describe hands its stupid

please never post again if your going to be too moronic not to read through all of the posts

STFU and GTFO.

the line seems fine, I don't like not c-betting in this particular spot but you should have a check in your arsenal to raise on turns that put up draws

I don't think you went wrong anywhere, your villain with KK was not putting much more into the pot regardless of your actions

do not beat yourself up over this line because it's going to get you paid off more often with villains weak holdings than less on his strong holdings

I check this flop around 10% of the time btw, and I like the sizing on all streets

WP

edit: The irony of this hand is that, with no draws and no two-pair hands on board, this hand is equivalent to bottom set, and not a single person would have a problem with you playing bottom set this way

Your 3 bet needs to be much larger id say like 35-40, the flop check IMO is were you lost the most value. You should be C betting a 3 way 3 bet pot for value in this spot. Maybe you were giving off a live tell sense you had been up so long? Maybe next time to to sleep and come back refreshed. Those were the obvious flaws I saw in the hand.

To the above AA plays nothing like bottom set here. Bottom set doesn't have to fear someone making 2 pair. I do agree with checking this some time but seems bad since there are a few unknowns that just sat down.

It's not an established theory yet but I'm talking it up because I think mpethy deserves his own theorem. But yeah it's really more about river bets. The thread is interesting though because it talks about the kind of bets that show a lot of strength.

Understand I'm not saying you're a fish; I just find it interesting the ways bets are perceived as strong or weak.

I'm empathetic to your feelings on this hand. It's ironic that the turn bet seemed so strong when you checked the flop.

My thing is I bet the flop frequently enough to where people suspect I don't really have anything half the time. I think it gets me better action when I do. Even though I hardly ever bluff the turn, it seems like I often get action there, too. Hope that's the right thing to do cuz that's what I've been doing. I used to do that thing where I always checked when I had something and bet when I didn't. People saw through that pretty quickly.