depends on callers, tendencies, etc... never folding with SPR under 3 though

if i thought i could bait bad player into shoving worse (QQ, AQ/AJ spaz, other underpairs) i might c/c but depends on reads obv

The whole point if raising to an amount that causes them to make a mistake, and then getting a value majority of our stack in pre flop is that they make a mistake against our hand. If we get them some of the value back on a bad flop, that can be ok. Esp if their range is wide but sometimes they show up with the top of their range.

If we keep making the same play, over and over again and they keep making the same play, then we make a profit in the long term. And so yes, we are likely shoving almost every flop.

But shoving it in now just so that we don't have to worry about 5% of board textures that we don't like is pretty mnuch horrific. We are giving up so much potential future value by playing scared money that it's cringe worthy.

Our goal should be the get out villains to mak e the biggest mistake that they can. If shoving all in will get them to fold the majority of the time when we have AA, then we DONT want to shove. We want to make a bet that they will call with incorrect odds, let them give away expected value, and then shove the flop when they will hopefully call with even less expected value.

It might increase our variance a bit, bit it will increase our bottom line.

Because allowing someone to put in 1/3rd of their stack KQ, QJ, or 78s is going to be unprofitable for Hero?

Optimists: Half the posts on 2+2 are someone shoving pocket tens on an ace high flop, or raising 97 suited.

Pessimists: The rest are people afraid to see a flop with pocket aces, or afraid to see a turn with bottom set.

let the one guy call with ATcc and then tank-call our shove on a T92r flop because he put you on AK, I see it all the time live

if you have seen people make light calls to huge shoves pf, then ship it. had a guy this week who was calling all in to defend his opens pf with any suited face card... but obv table specific. i think 100/ never fold is better in a vacuum

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Thanks for the responses guys, I tanked and raised to 120....folded all the way around, too much I guess.

The shocker is V1 folded kings and showed his neighbor, v2 might've have 99, v3 was just irrelevant, kept thinkin I did something wrong cuz how does kings not call 90 more.

Let's have some responses NOW.

You should definitely just be all in with the stacks involved. Looks so much more like AK, and JJ/QQ might look you up, esp if you're under 30. Trust me, it happens to me all the time.

They're much more likely to gamble with AQ/AJ and KQ too because there's no more decisions involved, they don't have to worry about it. It depends what positions they were in, I forgot and am too lazy to go back and look, but especially if the dude with $100 or $150 was last to act.

When you haves aces, and you get 3bet in low limit, assume they have a hand that they might hero you with if you decided to get out of line and blast them, then blast them accordingly like you're getting out of line, for maximum value.

A HUGE part of this is controlling your body, and your breathing and the speed in which you act. Take long enough that somebody gets the idea "Hey, I might have the best hand here", and once you think that idea has entered their head, then act.

If you ever played online, focus on that, I think it's really underrated and I've been working on it more and I definitely think I get more action than I did before.

When you make it 120, it's screaming AA only almost always. Look how committed you are. It's not like we're 300bb deep here. We're not playing 5/10 with 5k stacks. Plop in $300 and go for them kid.

Funny **** right there.

I guess I'm wondering why 100 or 120 pf instead of all in? The two small stacks are already facing a pot about the size of their stacks and would be stacked by your bet anyway so is there an advantage in holding back against v1?

The advantage is V1 might make a mistake flatting our 100-120 bet when he might make a correct fold to a shove

This.

Not to mention you can rep AK. It looks like a more marginal hand rather than raising and committing your stack. Which looks far stronger IMO, assuming they even pay attention to stuff like that. Lets just ship it.

I think you played it right, but this shows that you likely don't 3-bet light enough.

Against a "normal" opening TAG range (all pp, 78s+ decent broadways) we should be 3-betting JJ and even TT sometimes. I used to just auto-3bet JJ but I now think it's better to flat against tight players who open a really strong range.

Against people who open alot we should throw in some bluffs (SCs and suited aces) and maybe add some lower PP (although I haven't experimented with this personally because I love set mining).

I pretty much always 3-bet AK and sometimes AQo (AQs is a call for flush reasons).

If you 3-bet more your 4-bet range will be looked up more often. And that's what we want, because really when we are OOP like this our 4-bet range will be super strong. But it takes a sophisticated villain with some extra data points to notice this.

Of course you might be this aggressive and already be doing this stuff and you just hadn't sat at the table long enough. But if not, it's something to consider.