8 players
Hero UTG 500$ AhAd
UTG+1 120$ (No reads just sat at table a few hands before)
Button 500$ (Fish never folds preflop)

UTG Hero Raises to 15 gets called but utg+1 and Button.
Flop 3c 5c 2h
Hero bets 20 UTG+1 snap raises to 60$ Button snap calls. Hero??

Flat and evaluate turn, you are still ahead of all overpairs and draws.

This. I would flat and likely bet blank turns. Villains play the turn way more straightforward so you don't have to worry about villain raising turn with a draw or a smaller overpair and you charge draws

Urgh, gross spot.

I would bet more on flop. You got $48 in the pot pf, so bet $30-$35 on that flop.
That forces UTG+1 to go all in instead of raising 3x to 60 and leaving $45 behind, putting you in a weird spot.

If UTG+1 is all in, you can assess what the fishy button does before it's your turn to act.



Edit: As played, I don't like calling. UTG+1 have $45 behind after his raise and it's going in ott. I don't like to be put into a spot where I might have to think about folding aces for $45 into a pot of $220, AND letting the fishy button seeing a free card.

I think AP it's Raise/Fold >>> Call

How confident are you UTG1 shoves turn? Almost always this short?

I'd flat, check ott, let UTG1 shove, see what BTN does. If BTN flats again you have him, he isn't going flat/flat with a made hand he'd put a raise in at some point. So let UTG1 put in his last 50ish, let BTN flat, and raise big over that. Either get BTN's dead $ in there, or if BTN calls we don't care about the main pot, we have a big sidepot with BTN and just need to dodge his outs, he can have 4x.

It's almost beneficial, like we're OTB, with a short stack with initiative between us and the deep fish. We see what BTN does against UTG1 before we act.

Fold pre. AA doesn't play we'll OOP.


Happy I get in with shorty but a little wary of Btn. Call and check to see what they do I guess. Btn could just have a 4. Don't overcommitted now though.

Fwiw I like to limp/r or limp/shove UTG with aces. Aces OOP are difficult to play as previously mentioned.

Anyone else like clicking it back here? )
We are commuting against the short no matter what, and this will help us to range the btn. It also allows us to get more money in we are likely ahead.

We click it to $100, shorty shoves. If btn flats we are ahead 100% and can shovel it in on the turn. If he we can be pretty we are beat and get out.

Yup I prefer this to a call to all of the above stated reasons.

Actually I would have even raised it bigger (are you saying raise 100 total, or 100 on top of the 60?). button is fishy enough to call wide.

I fold Turn comes 6 UTG+1 snap ships and Button Snap calls. UTG+1 Shows KK Button shows 36.

Was tilted that UTG+1 didnt reraise pre.

I gave UTG1 a range of A4s for the nuts, sets, and over pairs, with some of the combos of 66-99 taken out because I don't think he raises them too often. I think all these hands are consistent with his action preflop.

I gave the Button a range weighted towards flush draws. His cold call on the button preflop and on the flop is highly suggestive of a draw.

Board: 3c 5c 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hero: 54.646% 53.34% 01.31% 1144824 28118.00 { AdAh }
UTG1: 23.518% 22.86% 00.66% 490629 14175.50 { KK-TT, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9c9s, 8c8d, 8c8h, 8c8s, 7c7d, 7c7h, 7c7s, 6c6d, 6c6h, 6c6s, 5d5h, 5d5s, 5h5s, 44, 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, 2c2d, 2c2s, 2d2s, Ac4c, Ac2c }
BTN: 21.836% 20.58% 01.25% 441839 26845.50 { JJ-99, 66, 44, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac4c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, K9s, QcJc, JcTc }

So with 54% equity we're not a huge favorite but it's pushing these small edges that separates the boys from the men. I'd make it $260 and shove my remaining $225 on a blank turn. As long as Btn is as fishy as you say he is.

AA is also really hard to play when you tell everyone at the table that you have AA, which is what you do when you are UTG and limp/raise.

this is a weak way to play aces. you usually end up getting a bunch of limpers, then IF you get the chance to 3bet, you get called by a few players who have position on you and know you have AA

That's annoying

So on the flop, you are folding/shoving because you know you are likely to be good against button, so you are making the decision of how often you are good against V1 versus paying him off here. You are either raising or getting out of the pot completely.

I'm glad you didn't just call though - turn was likely to be messy, and it was.

Don't do this .

Which is why we price it to prevent people calling along. I'm not saying it's the best, but I'd rather everyone know I had aces and take down 5-10BB than be OOP and most likely get cracked without realizing.

If it does limp around, I'm pretty much definition of a disguised hand.

I also only get aces like once every six months, consistently get called by one person if I limp shove them.

3-bet the flop, don't fold. Shove turn if called.

You'll get tons of value from tons of worse hands.

I know we're deep vs. BTN, but ranges are so capped here, and you have a few extra outs when behind.

BTN is heavily weighted to overpairs and draws. If he's a passive fish, all the better, he'll pay you off with so many worse hands. He'll 3-bet sets on the flop even if he's passive... if he's super passive, I'd still expect a raise with 55. I mean, that's a guess, of course, but we can at least discount sets here (both from his current range and from his stack off on the flop range) if we can't totally exclude them.

UTG+1 also has a relatively weak range including draws, pairs, over pairs, etc.

that's just....just....awful.

Sorry man, but that's exactly backwards of what you should be thinking. if you're going to limp raise its because they'll call anyway and you can shove flops etc. It's not to avoid action, and if it limps around then it's a DISASTER.

I should just redact my previous statements and let those who play aces consistently take the floor.
I don't like them one bit.

I love playing with people like you. I never stack off with JJ against your AA because you tell me your so far ahead pre. Congrats, take my $15. I'll get it back when you completely misplay something else.

As for having a disguised hand, yup, AA plays great in a 7 way pot. Have fun stacking off to the 93o BB

See my post right above, please.

Thank you I will happily take it. I like being played at so come and get it.

And no, because I'll throw them away at the first sign of trouble, I see them as a setmine.

ok you're trolling. well played.

Bet more on the flop. You probably have the best hand, and the button is, I assume, calling bets too often with weak hands. You want to make him pay for that mistake.

I'd bet about $45 because then, if the short stack shoves and the fish calls, you have the option to 3bet.

As played, I think you should 3bet.

UTG+1 only had $105 when the flop was dealt, and the pot was almost $50. I'm very happy to stack against him because he's going to show up with a lot of hands we beat.

I'm not overly concerned about the button, either. He plays a ton of hand preflop and presumably calls too light postflop. Your cbet looked weak because of the sizing, and even with the raise, the button still only has to call $60 in a ~$130 pot. He's going to have a lot of weak hands and draws, and we want to raise to build the pot and avoid giving a free card.