I'm about 30 minutes into the session, I have no history with anyone. V1 is in his early 40s...no reads on him. He has about $125, I cover.

1 limper in MP, V1 limps directly behind, one more limper in CO.

Hero (SB): AA

Hero raises to $12. Everyone folds except V1.

Flop ($30): 8 6 3

Hero bets $20. V1 calls

Turn: ($70): 6

Hero ...

Get it in...

jam it

Anyone that says to jam it is crazy, you are never getting called by worse and you are drawing to between 4 and two outs. There are two options here.

If he is capable of bluffing but still a weak player, I'd block bet like 35 dollars. If he ships it in, he has you beat as he is never limp calling any decent pocket pair that he could call off with.

If he isn't capable of bluffing, I would check and then value bet the river. He isn't betting because he's bad and as scared as you are about the flush.

If he is a strong opponent, he can really make your life hell because he can fold out your entire range. I think without reads, getting it all in is super spewy. What would he get in if not a flush? 86 is a boat. Most people won't limp call 83 and if he did, he just got counterfeited and is scared of A8. With the flush coming in, he is never taking JJ and shipping it over a check when the flush comes in.

Not sure what shoving accomplishes here. Doubt he folds his flush, or trip 6's. We don't want to fold out the flush draw; if he just picked up a draw, then I'm the happiest guy in the world here. I think I just keep betting until he fights back, or rolls over.

Bet call 50 on turn. He has 90 left here...a little over a pot bet. U still have the best hand a ton.

Raise more pre. $15-16

Bet $50 OTT.

Shove river.

Jamming turn is terrible as we will only get called by better and fold out worse. Only hands we may get value from are 99-JJ, but there are SO many other hands we can just take to value town street by street.

grunch: b/f... maybe 35 or 40.

this spots make me doubt my abilities as a poker player. gotta go with gut since we have no reads (even just go by looks and peg him for a certain type of player... old man coffee, internet kid, aggressive guy, etc). i'm tempted to check/call every street... but if he's on a flush draw you're giving it to him too easily.

without any reads and this stack size which is not big... but not small... i think i probably take the deeper line which is bet/fold. if you just get called, probably c/c any non diamond river.

b/f river >>> x/f river >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x/c river.

Based on being the sole PF caller, I'd weight his range more toward pps than FDs. I'd bet $40 and get the rest in on a non-diamond river.

A turn shove would usually signal we are behind the top end of his range, so I'd likely make an ugly fold. This may be a mistake for 63 bbs effective, but are we ever good vs. that line?

i agree folding the river, if we get there, is pretty bad with pot odds and no reads. but are we betting for value or folds? i guess i could see an argument for another 2 pair hand not wanting to give up being in range.

huh? I said x/c the river would be the worst of options.

Bet/fold the river for value if we get there. Tons of garbage he is calling with.

i didn't word my response very well, but you answered my question. i could see betting for value being reasonable here.

With 60bb? V can't have any other hands that call another bet on the turn? This is live 1/2 we are talking about!

Just bet $50 on the turn and shove river, easy game. I'm not folding after I bet $50 on turn either. V's range is weighted much more towards pocket pairs and maybe like 89s/8Ts than big diamond draws and boats.

Everyone seems to agree on this.

You're original post simply said "get it in" which we all took to mean "jam OTT," which would be over a PSB.

I just meant get it in as in there is no way I'm folding, not open shove the turn.

No jam .. to an unknown? He will only call when you are beat by flush or 6. If you had a set .. maybe, but not just an over-pair.

Bet, but dont bet scared like 20-30. Just act like you dont know what he has behind and put out another 2/3 pot or so. If he jams .. then you call and hope to hit 4-outer.

You dont have enough history with this opponent to fold. Aces get cracked sometimes, just be glad it was only 60bb. GL

Yeah now I see what you meant.

First of all...

Pot the flop. Villains are going to call -- go for the whole pot.

Turn is a great card for Hero. I go about 2/3 pot here. That is about half the remaining stacks.

Never folding.

B/F here is bad when u have absolutely no reads. Most 1/2 players I see will flat with a made flush and what are you gonna do on the river? This needs to be check/call or check/fold to a big bet (no matter how gross it sounds). You don't have a read on this player so u have to stereotype him as ordinary 1/2 player meaning he rarely bluffs and LOVES chasing flush draws. So check/call and reevaluate on river. Even bluffy 1/2 players will have a tough time firing another barrel so fold blank rivers when he bets.

It maybe conservative but b/f won't work; see way too many 1/2 players with flushes flatting.

Now if u have a read this is a different story... if he's have decent b/f makes sense.

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I agree with this, but I would like to point out that he is an unknown, therefore we can't know that he will ONLY fold out worse and call with better. He could call with jj, 99, A8 or something, we can't be super sure.

But even with that said, I agree that a jam is not good play.