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02-11-2013 , 08:07 PM

Bapestaa

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Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 48

Hero (175$) in c/o
Villain (550$) UTG +1.. Very LAG player, seen him 3 bet\shove a few times with air or a draw

Hero raises to 15$ with A

with 2 limpers behind

Folded around to Villain who calls after limping in.

Flop comes 6

Villain shoves..

Hero?

I'm putting him on a weak flush draw.. or maybe A8\K8.. I've been playing really tight so he's probably trying to take down the pot hoping I had AQ\AK.

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02-11-2013 , 08:20 PM

Albert Heisenberg

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Weird shove. If you're a tight player he may have you on AA/KK/QQ, etc. and is overbetting with 6x or 88 to trap you in the hand with an overpair if he thinks you'll bite. He might be a Zenga player and this is standard with A8, I don't know. Really need more information on your image and the game. Have you seen him do this before on such a small pot? You're basically getting 1-1 so in a vacumn I call because this looks fishy and we have AA.

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02-11-2013 , 08:23 PM

Duke0424

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call if youve seen him shove before with air and draws

edit: doubtful hes doing this with 6x or 88 because hes losing out so much value

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02-11-2013 , 08:28 PM

Buster65

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I'm confused. Is the pot 60 or 30 OTF? If he's a good LAG, you've can't ignore a 6 being part of his range. However, with an SPR of either 5 or under 3, you aren't making a huge mistake to get it in here.

Make him show first if he doesn't instamuck and take a note.

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02-11-2013 , 08:31 PM

Albert Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Duke0424

call if youve seen him shove before with air and draws

edit: doubtful hes doing this with 6x or 88 because hes losing out so much value

Unless he reads our Hero as the type that will marry his high pair... it's a stretch, but with this weird shove it's possible. Weak FD or SD looks more likely though I guess.

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02-11-2013 , 08:34 PM

DonkleBerry

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You have to call here. He can't be doing this for value 'cause he'd be losing value by scaring you off. He's probably got a flush draw at worst, lower PP at best. It's a weird push regardless as it seems he just wants to take it down now. I'm thinking he's got TT, JJ thinks he's good but is afraid of over cards coming on the turn. Everyone thinks the PFR has AK at 1/2, so that's probably what he's got you on.

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02-11-2013 , 08:38 PM

Duke0424

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Originally Posted by Albert Heisenberg

Unless he reads our Hero as the type that will marry his high pair... it's a stretch, but with this weird shove it's possible. Weak FD or SD looks more likely though I guess.

we're not even 100bb deep so maybe he would do it sometimes with 6x or 88 but its so unlikely. even aggro spews slowplay boats and sets

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02-11-2013 , 08:40 PM

JoeyyyyyG

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Hero snap calls for only 160$

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02-11-2013 , 08:46 PM

Buster65

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Originally Posted by Duke0424

edit: doubtful hes doing this with 6x or 88 because hes losing out so much value

Actually, Duke, a GOOD LAG absolutely MUST do this with his made hands. Think about it.

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02-11-2013 , 08:50 PM

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Bapestaa

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Well.. I called and he showed 64s.. called a raise with 64 and flopped trips.

Must be nice right?

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02-11-2013 , 08:50 PM

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Duke0424

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no i understand, i just dont give people credit for that at 1/2 until i see it

and really, he shouldnt be doing it unless hes playing against a competent player because most people will see the big bet and just fold.

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02-11-2013 , 09:20 PM

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radioheadfan

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I call pretty happily.

If he's betting 5x pot with a 6 or 88 he just gets my stack. Too many draws and weaker overpairs in his range.

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02-11-2013 , 09:32 PM

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cas1201111

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I am leaning towards folding to his enormous bet. I just don't think he is making this move "hoping" you don't have a big pair which you're "obviously" not going to be folding in his mind. I feel like he has a 6 here a large portion if the time and is targeting the very top of your range. You're barely getting better than 1:1 and I just don't think you're ahead often enough to call.

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02-11-2013 , 10:16 PM

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Bapestaa

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I mean, it was a good shove theoretically speaking.. this is of course if the guy knew his table image and that I am a thinking player, which means I'd probably call with any over pair on that board.

But I'm like 99% sure that he's not even an average player.. and would have shoved there with any overpair or flush draw.. or even TPTK

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02-11-2013 , 11:40 PM

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bblaiz1287

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Originally Posted by Bapestaa

totally agree with this. easy call . you should be able to take this money back off a player like this pretty quickly

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