Hero: Plays in the game regularly, plays pretty tight and more passive than he should, but a known solid player relative to the field. Won some good pots and has about $600.

V1: Probably the best player who plays in this game. TAG, never seen him tilt (really). Just lost a decent size pot. Knows Hero is tight and better than majority of regs.

V2: First time playing with him. Has about the same amount of chips as hero. He's been in and won a lot of pots, but has shown down solid hands. Made some comments showing he thinks about the game more than your average donkey. Haven't seen any patterns or identified any "moves" he has in his bag.

Full game.

Pre-flop:
Hero (UTG+1) (~$600): AA raises to $15.
UTG+2 calls
MP calls
V1 ($140) (MP) calls
BTN calls
V2 (~$600) (BB) calls

All others fold (obv). Six handed, Pot = $91

Flop: Q106

V2 checks.
Hero: Bets $80.
UTG+2 folds
MP folds
V1 raises all-in to $125.
BTN folds

This is where it gets a little interesting. V2 says "reraise," and as he is counting out what looks like a $300 raise, it's explained to him that since he acted and the all-in isn't a full raise he can't re-raise, only call. So he calls.

Hero calls.

Pot: $466.00

Turn: Q

V2 takes a split second, then goes all-in for about the pot, which puts Hero all-in.

Hero? Thoughts all around?

Your preflop raise is horrible. Early positions, especially UTG, should raise much higher especially when you want to isolate.

Easy fold on the turn.

I understand re: preflop and isolation was definitely the goal, but in this game $15 is much higher than standard raise (usually $10 or less) and will nearly always isolate. I was very surprised with that many callers, and it was unusual for the game.

I don't have a problem with that preflop, we just get unlucky every now and then with a bunch of callers. However, this flop is an easy fold. V2 wanted to freaking c/r an all-in bet. He's probably holding QT, TT, 66, or even QQ (don't be surprised at the foolishness of most 1/2 players to never 3-bet that preflop), while V1 could still be holding any of that (probably not the queens) or AQ, which is the ONLY HAND AMONG TWO PEOPLE that we beat.

Just dump it. Staying in will only tempt you to lose more money on later streets, because you obviously aren't improving, and you're obviously behind. The only good news that turn could bring for you is an Ace. As cheap as that call is on the flop, it's still -EV for a potential 2-outer. It's hard to know when to dump aces, but remember that when that many people see a flop, the odds of someone hitting two pair or better increase dramatically. You're beat man. AP, toss that garbage on the turn.

Calling the preflop raise "horrible" is just silly. The I probably bet a tad less on the flop as I think it accomplishes the same thing. The turn is a fold as he has shown A LOT of strength with his attempted c/r on the flop in a 17 way pot and his massive turn bet. He is betting huge into a dry side pot. If he had a hand you beat, then good for him.
Getting 300 bigs in with one pair is VERY rarely going to be wise at 1/2.

Raise higher than 7.5x pre? What planet are you from sir?

Sizing on the flop a little high, but w/e. turn seems like an easy fold on that board facing a pot-sized shove from v2. Qs was one of the worst cards in the deck for us

I'm a little confused why v2 who checked otf cant shove or c/r? He checked, u bet, shortie all in so not even a raise, action back on him, so theoretically he should be able to crai or c/r your bet right? I can't wrap my head around this for w/e reason. Seems like you would be the one that can't re-raise v1 shove since he didn't make a full raise of your bet and the only way v2 can't c/r is if he led for $80 and you called and v1 shoves for $120ish, leaving you both only eligible to call and not raise. Wtf is going on with the floor here?

Still laughing at this bad critique/advice. So what do you recommend for sizing utg(to lol Iso) and expect to get a call with your hand face up like you are suggesting for preflop line? 10x? 15x? All-in "cuz I has da Aces"? Please tell me moar

I kind of thought that was wrong too, but couldn't recall off the top of my head what the rule was for someone in V2's position. Floor quoted rule about anyone who "has acted" not being able to re-raise, which would include V2 (who checked). Reading the rule, I think it's more accurately someone who has acted and hasn't faced a full/legitimate bet.

I like the way this hand was played all throughout. 70 might have accomplished same as 80 but that has been said before and is kind of nitpicking.

V2 should never be semi- bluffing the turn with a combo draw because there is no side pot right now

Pretty standard fold on the turn, and you have to call the extra 45 on the flop, just in hopes of maybe a 6, or club peeling off and getting a free card. Or smacking an ace

One of my least favorite posts people constantly write about on 2+2....

Every game is different preflop, hero obviously thought 7.5x would isolate more than it did...... 2 or 3 callers is ideal, not 4, anyone who is posting on twoplustwo cares enough about poker to know this... so the post is 0 help

+1

Preflop is totally fine. You can't just say 15 is the wrong amount. I've played in plenty of games were UTG opening for 15 would get no action and others where opening for $35 was your only hope at isoing. It depends.

Flop is fine, we can't feel great about our hand but I don't think a fold is correct. Turn is easy fold.

he raised 6.5... i use a pretty standard positional balancing formula and my utg raise is 8x.

that said, whether 15 is acceptable pre is 100% game dependent. Categorically saying that its right or wrong without specific info on the way the game has been playing pre makes no sense.

that said, this is a pretty easy fold ott even with out the failed reraise tell otf. in fact, i kind of thing the thing on the flop actually makes his range seem a little weaker.

6.5 x $2 = $15?? That might be a leak, pal.

Too early for results? I need to post more. Anyway, I guess people can opine without looking:

Results don't surprise me. I was gonna put a caveat of such scenario's in my first post but it's such a rare occurrence that you just have to live with this one. At least the info was valuable.

apparently youre not clear on what a raise is. thats definitely a leak.
OP's raise was $13, or 6.5bbs

Apparently you're not clear on how the rest of the world calculates raise sizing. It was a 7.5x raise, and if you don't understand that, it may be time to head back to the beginner questions thread.

I have seen this mistake made by dealers many times over the years and most players don't contest it. V2 checked, hero bet 80 and V1 went all in for 125.
V2 has not already acted to the raise and should not in any way be penalised from check raising just because V1 is short stacked! V2 can raising anything above 170 (125-80=45 45+125=170.)
If v2 had made it 80, hero called and then v1 shoved then this is the time when v2 is not able to raise in most places where I play. I know in some card rooms/casinos that if the all in raise is half the initial bet or more, that some house rules can allow for a re raise.

Back to the hand. I think the pre flop raise to 15 utg is acceptable but much depends on table dynamics and player tendencies. Unfortunately on this occasion, utg+1 started the calling train and every man and his dog then called. On that board against.all those villains you have a small hand.

A bet on the flop is fine but I'd make it smaller as other posters have said, a smaller bet has the same effect.

You have to be able to let your small hand go after that as most times you are beat, especially given the info from v2 who wanted to raise. Villains should take you raise pre and your flop bet as AQ minimum, and more likely KK AA or top set.

You know its weird because in live games (my background comes from playing live at bellagio, venetian, aria, wynn), back when bellagion was 1/2, $12 would be a standard raise in a 1/2 table. Given your circumstances that $15 is much higher than normal, then your raise is understandable. However, during the times I play, I would bet at least $20. Yeah I know its crazy because its x10 the big blind and feels more like a 2/5 game. I would rather take a safer approach because as soon as there's 2 more callers, usually the CO, Button, SB, and BB will automatically call with ATC, especially since you are playing at a 1/2 table. If this was 2/5 or 5/10, you're betsizing of X 7.5 would undoubtedly get isolation. Good luck!

Prototypical on a 1/2 live game. You played hand well given the circumstances and i'm positive you came out winning in this session especially playing with bad players like V1.

I like the play on your part.

As mentioned, PF is completely table dependent. You need to raise to whatever you think will get a caller or two but not the whole table. It didn't work in this case, but from EP there's only so much you can do.

On the flop, I'd probably bet 60-70, but I don't have a problem there either.

And on the turn I think you are crushed by their ranges and have to fold. Yes, it turns out that they were behind you, but that's life. Since V2 doesn't know you very well I don't see him bluffing you based on your image. If the situation was reversed maybe V1 could be making a play on you, but that still isn't all that likely.

And I would agree that the dealer called this wrong. If V2 had called the shove and you tried to re-raise it would be disallowed because V1 did not have enough to make a legal raise, but it doesn't work the other way.

Which does raise the question - what would you have done if V2 was correctly allowed to raise?