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02-10-2017 , 09:19 AM
Hero: Late twenties. Has only been at the table for about an hour. Got paid on a set and TPTK against a fish

V: Mid 40s white guy, big headphones and hoodie on. Only hand of note was not 4 betting his AA. Got it in on J high flop. Kid turns over QQ and asks why he didn't go all in pre, his response "it's more fun this way"

OTTH
Straddle for 4 on the BTN. SB, BB call
Hero ($400): UTG+2 AhAs makes it 25
V ($600ish?):CO calls


Flop(60) T64 two spades
Hero makes it 35, V calls

Turn(130) 2h
Hero makes it 85. V calls
At this point I am putting him on JJ+. I don't think he calls here with a TsXs non nut draw. No two pairs are in his range. Thoughts on this?

River(300) Td
I believe this takes a lot of Tens out of his range. I dont think a Ts without the As calls the turn bet. Going with the read of JJ+. I bet 100 thinking I could get a call from a single pair. If I went the ~150-225 route I am probably only getting called by better and if he shoves I will probably fold. I dont think this is a pot he bluffs at. Trying to make less hero calls, has been helping my game a lot

Last edited by foldandclose; 02-10-2017 at 09:27 AM.
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02-10-2017 , 09:26 AM
I don't get it. Flop is $25+$25+$25 +4+4 = $83

So rake is $23 OTF?

Bet/fold small $130 or go $250

Your Villain sounds like a grinder.

I would even consider c/c here to induce flush draws. Since it's $1/$2 and I think people are idiots, default play is bet.
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02-10-2017 , 09:28 AM
Thats my fault, I copied the hand down wrong. BTN did not call the 25 pre flop. Went heads up with V
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02-10-2017 , 02:26 PM
stack sizes?
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02-10-2017 , 04:48 PM
I might try a check to induce on the river. Hard to bet/fold river when you've put in more than half your stack. Would be a pretty good bluff if he raises and doesn't have it, but that's why it's a good bluff. Many decent players know that $100 is almost a blocker.
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02-10-2017 , 05:44 PM
You think villain is folding Ts9s to a turn bet? This would be an extremely tight fold. I'd be interested in why you think villain wouldn't continue with a hand like this on the turn.

If you think villain is this tight I wouldn't expect him to call with worse on the river.
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02-11-2017 , 05:42 AM
check fold bro
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02-11-2017 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
You think villain is folding Ts9s to a turn bet? This would be an extremely tight fold. I'd be interested in why you think villain wouldn't continue with a hand like this on the turn.

If you think villain is this tight I wouldn't expect him to call with worse on the river.
I don't think V is making this call preflop. And as I said earlier I don't think he was calling a turn bet without the As. I think he would have played a little more aggressively if he had Txss
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02-11-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I might try a check to induce on the river. Hard to bet/fold river when you've put in more than half your stack. Would be a pretty good bluff if he raises and doesn't have it, but that's why it's a good bluff. Many decent players know that $100 is almost a blocker.
I was worried about missing out on value, something I decided to work on this session. I wasn't even thinking about it as a blocking bet, but thanks for pointing it out.

I wasn't sure how I would have responded if I checked. If he checks back it's a sign of relief but potentially missed a street. If he bets, ugh, don't really want to fold but not wild about calling. Figured betting was my best option and force him to make a decision
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02-11-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
I don't get it. Flop is $25+$25+$25 +4+4 = $83

So rake is $23 OTF?

Bet/fold small $130 or go $250

Your Villain sounds like a grinder.

I would even consider c/c here to induce flush draws. Since it's $1/$2 and I think people are idiots, default play is bet.
Either is a grinder or really wants to be one. A lot of the refs in this game are seasonal workers so I gather this is what they do in the off season

Is there any amount that you fold to if he bets river?
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02-11-2017 , 10:32 AM
Played fine against a villain who can overplay KK-JJ. The river isn't great and a bet is pretty thin.

What are the spades on the flop?
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02-11-2017 , 10:34 AM
Spoiler:
He calls and turns over two black kings


I think I sized my bet on the smaller side out of fear because I'm usually a more passive player. Something I'm trying to break out of. Trying to get better at building pots. I have strung together a few ok sessions but leaving a lot of money on the table
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02-11-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Played fine against a villain who can overplay KK-JJ. The river isn't great and a bet is pretty thin.

What are the spades on the flop?
64
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02-13-2017 , 11:39 AM
Any idea what you would have done if he had shoved river after your bet? Really difficult call to make.

I need to work on raising the river more as a bluff, but most of the people I play with are calling stations There are a few players I can target.
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02-13-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Any idea what you would have done if he had shoved river after your bet? Really difficult call to make.

I need to work on raising the river more as a bluff, but most of the people I play with are calling stations There are a few players I can target.
People don't bluff enough rivers to justify calling them off.

The higher you play, the more you'll need to call, as well as the more you'll need to bluff.
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02-13-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
People don't bluff enough rivers to justify calling them off.

The higher you play, the more you'll need to call, as well as the more you'll need to bluff.
This is why I need to bluff more, but even in the 1/3/10 game with $500 - $3,000+ stacks (it's insane), my opponents call lighter than most -- or lighter than they should. At least I'm seen as pretty tight, so when I do bet I get respect. I just need to take advantage of it more.

I would fold in this hand if V raised my river bet, and I assume most players would, even when putting in >half a stack.
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02-13-2017 , 11:16 PM
OP played it fine imo. V never gave a reason to "worry". If V is in fact a grinder he would have almost certainly raised flop or turn with TsXs as the board is exactly what youre looking for w such a hand. With that said, V either had a solid live read on hero or is a very passive player. Not sure just calling every street in position with KK is +ev. However, if OP really was set on V range of JJ+, why not shove river?
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