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1/2 - A3s - Flush on paired board 1/2 - A3s - Flush on paired board

08-26-2016 , 06:59 AM
Very loose table, a lot of limp/calling and players are generally passive if they don't have it.

Hero(220~): Been pretty card dead, just won one small pot with a cbet OTF. Probably seen as tight other players, if they even noticed, that is.

Villain 1(250~): Very loose player, saw him tank calling a 150 jam with AJs and looking surprised when other villain turned over AKs. Keeps calling flops to then fold turns showing mid pair. Generally just a bad player.

Villain 2(~70): Short stack, not really relevant

OTTH:
4 limpers
H completes sb with A3dd, BB checks

Flop(12$):KJ8dd
Hero checks, V2 bets 7, V1 calls, Hero calls

Any point in raising here? I feel like a raise would build up a nice pot for when the FD hits and we might have some fold equity in which case we would pick up the pot right away.

Turn(33$):4d
Checked around

Not sure if check here is correct. I didn't want to make a move that would turn my hand up but I'm thinking that maybe leading for around 20 would have been better. Thoughts?

River(33$):4c
Hero bets 20, V2 folds, V1 raises to 50, Hero?

Weird weird spot, we are getting 1:3.3 against a fishy player. I feel like any set would have raised OTF, i doubt that he would check a set OTT even with the 3rd diamond hitting, but this is arguable. Is this a 4x often enough to justify the call?
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08-26-2016 , 11:30 AM
I check/raise the flop vs. these players. Definitely bet the turn!

As played, just call river. He could easily have a naked 4 or a worse flush, and your check on the turn could have induced this raise.
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08-26-2016 , 11:44 AM
Villain 2 is kinda relevant on the flop because we want to know if he's going to shove over your checkraise (and push out V1), or will just call your c/r and check behind on the turn if you miss.
River, I would rank folding as the worst option. Probably just call. While it's hard to think of a full house hand that would slowplay early on & check the turn, it's also hard to put together a hand that you beat that would play this way. e.g. why would a smaller flush check the turn then raise this river?
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08-26-2016 , 12:17 PM
OOP, I like betting the flop as a semibluff. You will fold out most non-top pair hands and may be able to get a weak K to fold on a turn double barrel. Plus your hand likely has 48% equity and at worst 36%. You are also currently ahead of any draws that will call you so value bet them.

Checking the turn was the worst part of the hand AINEC. Bet full pot. Any Kd, two pairs, sets are rarely folding, and we build the pot to stack smaller flushes who could raise you.

River, just call and give the guy 30 bucks. If he raised it to 80 I could find a fold.
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08-26-2016 , 04:43 PM
I would usually lead the flop myself but I appreciate that has zero fold equity in this exact hand while a check raise can actually pick up the pot immediately and stands the best chance of getting stacks in if the flush hits. Either way I'm almost always playing my flush draws fast as they are too obvious when they come in otherwise. The alternative route of disguising your nut hand leads to tiny pots on the river and potentially bad cards like board pairs or a fourth flush card falling. Boards usually get more threatening so if they are too afraid to call the turn they are unlikely to find the courage to call the river without hitting something. Therfore as played I bet the turn and quite big hoping it looks bluffy.

The one time I've slow played a flush recently was when I flopped the nuts on the button after calling a raise while shorthanded. The pot was three way on a very low monotone flop with my kicker blocking straight draws . Neither opponent looked enthused so I checked it back. Same disinterest on a low card turn that put various low straights on board, so I checked it back again.

River is another connected card but higher. Finally the original raiser over bets the pot. I estimate he has a range of [straights]. I shove on him and win nut flush over rivered nut straight. Sad cooler for him but fact is I knew he had nothing he was happy with till he told me so on the river. I knew how to play the hand perfectly because I was in position and I'm good at reading players' enthusiasm for their hands.

OOP on a double Broadway board with multiple mid card straight draws and vs a loose player I'm just coming out betting with my big hands. I can't get as much info OOP nor do I have the option to bet any street my opponents refuse to. That makes slow plays OOP dramatically less profitable than IP.
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08-26-2016 , 04:49 PM
Against a villain that calls flop but then folds you should double barrel often on most turns. As played, easy call.
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08-26-2016 , 07:26 PM
I am reraising here vs this villain


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08-27-2016 , 05:30 AM
Was the K on the flop a diamond?

I think we have to 3-bet the river. I can see this guy calling with worse flushes if he called pre with AJs.

Also, bet turn. We have nuts. We want to win a big pot.
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08-27-2016 , 10:29 AM
Bet the turn-- you are losing a lot of value here.

You have the ace of diamonds so when the diamond does hit the river you "shouldnt" get a ton of value-- and you now need to make up value on the river from the value you lost checking the turn.

(Unrelated to actual outcome of hand) Pretend a non-nut changing card hits river:

Bet $25 on the turn and bet $55 on river gets more money in the pot--

By checking the turn you are left with a $33 pot on the river compared to a $83 pot.

There are so many hands on the turn that V will call you with here-- two pairs, draws, even one pair with a draw... Think of how many of those hands lose a ton of their value on certain rivers with this board texture.

You have the nuts and are essentially shrinking the pot and shrinking the hands villains will continue with on the river by not betting.
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