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07-24-2019 , 10:51 PM

SpinzFTW

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

Villain has been tilted, opening light and playing back at people with air. Whenever villain loses a pot he starts erratically betting to win pots saying things like "you have to bet to win". He sits with $500 I have him outchipped

OTTH straddle pot - villain in straddle.

Hero is utg1 with 9c9s. I limp BTN limps blinds complete straddle raises to $25

Hero calls rest fold.

Flop $62: 2s 3s 7h

Villain leads $40 I call

Turn $142 Kc

Villain leads $50, I call

River $250 3c

Villain leads $95 hero ??

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07-24-2019 , 10:59 PM

barney big nuts

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Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 1,991

idk why you're limping 99
his sizing doesn't look like a bluff
you're gonna get shown 1010-qq otr fairly often

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07-24-2019 , 11:03 PM

Nippleman

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 660

It's probably a fold. Better place to get his money in, and he has a decent amount of Ks in his range, even if he is playing with a lot of air.

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07-24-2019 , 11:45 PM

jdr0317

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Not a fan of folding vs tilted maniac fish for this price. If he’s value betting TT this way, he’s value betting 88 this way.

Also dear God, the limp call pre is horrendous. Raise the first time. Raise the second time

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07-25-2019 , 08:42 AM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

For whatever reason at 1/2 and 1/3, those players (both fish and regs) seem to like limp/calling pocket pairs and AK/AQ. I don't get why, especially when mine setting odds aren't there, but it is something disturbingly noticeable, and even in my games, I have seen quite a few players do it (had a BB player check with Aces and then proceed to bet/fold everyone off of a dryish board).

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07-25-2019 , 09:57 AM

SpinzFTW

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Couple hands I observed him play:

1) Opened $17 mp, another v 3bets to $45 with $120 stack, spewtard calls. Flop 757, he checks, v bets $60 he jams, v calls, spewtard shows 72o

2) He limps mp, another v otb raises to $15, he 3bets to $45, original raiser ships $110 total, he snaps with A5o.

As for why I limped 9s - spewtard villain was in straddle, and he was 3betting a high frequency of hands when in blinds/straddle/most positions. I limped to pot control as 9s are not all that great post vs. a player I am expecting to barrel large on most boards.

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07-25-2019 , 10:19 AM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW

Based on this, why are you calling him on the flop/turn? He might be a maniac pre, but it looks like he is fit-or-fold post.

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07-25-2019 , 10:26 AM

SpinzFTW

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

Based on this, why are you calling him on the flop/turn? He might be a maniac pre, but it looks like he is fit-or-fold post.

1) He showed down bluffs with odd hands throughout the night (94, j5) comes to mind.

2) He was drinking lots, on his 3rd or 4th glass

3) He is a button clicker

4) I beat him earlier in a similar hand except I had 10s where I called down flop and turn barrels. River went c/c and he had air. My thought was, along with all the information, that this time he was trying to "win it".

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07-25-2019 , 10:30 AM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW

1. Ok, fair. 72 is obviously lol, but when he flops trips, yeah his aggression is warnted.

2. Drinking gives him more air, but also means he can have **** like K2s.

3. Fair

4. Righty ho.

I mean, at this stage you are basically coin flipping. He can have a ton of air, anad a ton of good and bad kings. The only thing I would say before snapping him off is that a lot of people forget that maniacs can get premium hands as well.

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07-25-2019 , 02:46 PM

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WehrmatsWormhat

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 353

I'm 100% calling this if he's as tilted as you suggest. He could easily have complete air here.

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07-25-2019 , 04:51 PM

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CharliePohd

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Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 12

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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW

As for why I limped 9s - spewtard villain was in straddle, and he was 3betting a high frequency of hands when in blinds/straddle/most positions. I limped to pot control as 9s are not all that great post vs. a player I am expecting to barrel large on most boards.

Correct me if im wrong, buy when Im up against a maniac fish like this I usually factor in his spewtard 3 bet frequency. So I just try to get most if not all of it pre flop verse these types. This means it Id be betting 1st preflpp high to isolate maniac fish with 99+ and a wider broadway range. Basically i make the desicion for stacks before I make my first bet... Does this make sense to anyone?

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07-26-2019 , 11:47 AM

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Javanewt

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I raise pre the first time, and I might limp/3bet him in this spot -- he's the straddle and he's been opening light. He could have anything.

As played, if he's that tilted, I call him down. He could have a ton of AX hands or 67/78/etc. that we are ahead of. If he actually had a hand, I think he'd go higher on river (and maybe turn) for value.

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07-26-2019 , 01:23 PM

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Nippleman

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Results? Since I think you are coin flipping either way..

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07-26-2019 , 05:54 PM

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browni3141

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,678

99 is a premium pre-flop against a button clicker. Play it like one and stop "pot controlling." If you're going to limp it better be to l/rr.

Calling flop is probably fine. Turn is a clear call and beat him into the pot on the river, and not just because you said he's a maniac. You're getting too good a price, the river improves no hands except a rare 3x, and he can have a lot of natural bluffs. You've shown nothing but weakness the entire hand and the turn bet was small enough to keep both ranges wide enough that 99 is not close to the bottom of your range.

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08-03-2019 , 06:22 PM

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SpinzFTW

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Called and villain showed KJ

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08-03-2019 , 09:48 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Sorry you lost, but this seems like a supereasy call down to me.

Also, don't limp/call. If the guy is constantly 3betting, you shouldn't be "afraid" he will do it again, you should hope that he does, so that you can 4bet him with your 99 monster.

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08-04-2019 , 12:42 AM

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BlueSpade84

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

This +1.

Anyone advocating folding is leaving money on the table.

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08-04-2019 , 08:09 AM

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AAJTo

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

I raise pre the first time, and I might limp/3bet him in this spot -- he's the straddle and he's been opening light. He could have anything.

+1

As played Id raise him on the flop since hes going to call us with any piece he hit and we might get him to spew with a bad 1 pair hand who doesn't want to call and doesn't want to fold. I say this over and over and every gd day I see the same posts. You do not combat maniacs with calls.

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