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(1/2) 99 vs. Bad LAG (1/2) 99 vs. Bad LAG

12-10-2015 , 03:42 PM
(UTG +2) Hero $920: 99
(MP) Villain 1 $725:
(SB) Villain 2 $325:
(BB) Villain 3 $375: Bad LAG, likes to make plays a lot, slowplayed 2 full houses in previous hands sort of unbalanced.

Preflop: Hero opens to 15, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 calls (4-way to the flop, Pot = 60)

Flop, Pot = 60
T28
V2 leads for 15, V3 calls 15, Hero makes it 70, V1 folds, V2 calls, V3 ships all-in for 360 more hero??
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12-10-2015 , 03:54 PM
Why raise first time pre-flop? Is this for value or a bluff? It's not a very effective bluff, because I doubt you're folding out any 10s. Also doubt any made hand is calling, so you're only getting value against draws. Problem is you're 3-way, you have blockers to the straight draws, and most of the flush draws also have at least one over or a gutshot so are doing pretty well equity-wise. I'm just calling flop and trying to use position to get to showdown cheaply.

As played I don't think you have enough reads to call. V3 is a bad LAG, but what does that mean? Could he turn a hand like top pair into a bluff that still beats you? Unless V 3 makes it a habit to bluff with pure air, you're either way behind a made hand or in a position where V3 has a ton of equity with his draws. You also have V2 to contend with, who may have you destroyed. I fold as played.
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12-10-2015 , 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIB211
Why raise first time pre-flop? Is this for value or a bluff? It's not a very effective bluff, because I doubt you're folding out any 10s. Also doubt any made hand is calling, so you're only getting value against draws. Problem is you're 3-way, you have blockers to the straight draws, and most of the flush draws also have at least one over or a gutshot so are doing pretty well equity-wise. I'm just calling flop and trying to use position to get to showdown cheaply.

As played I don't think you have enough reads to call. V3 is a bad LAG, but what does that mean? Could he turn a hand like top pair into a bluff that still beats you? Unless V 3 makes it a habit to bluff with pure air, you're either way behind a made hand or in a position where V3 has a ton of equity with his draws. You also have V2 to contend with, who may have you destroyed. I fold as played.
It's for value. V2 & V3 def have a capped range in this spot but when V3 ships it gets confusing. V3's ship is nuts or bluff he wouldn't be turning T's into a bluff and would likely raise a T himself but he could have slowplayed a strong hand a small % of the time.
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12-10-2015 , 04:09 PM
I think pre is fine.

I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on if there's any merit to just folding outright to the 15 with a donk and call into your EP raise still with one player to act behind you.
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12-10-2015 , 05:13 PM
Fine pre. I'd usually bet a little less in EP, but whatever.

I'd rather fold on the flop than squeeze. We don't have reads on V1 or V2. I assume V2 has Tx but more information would be helpful. Unless both V2 and V3 can fold at least top pair, just let it go. Know that a squeeze is essentially a bluff and you're crushed by any range that continues.

A call-shove into two players is super strong, even for a 'bad lag'. Slowplaying a set by calling then shoving to more action is consistent with his previous actions. At best, you have 45% equity against suited overcards. You have about 10-15% against sets, overpairs, and Tx. V2 very likely has 99 beat too. Clear cut fold.
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12-10-2015 , 05:39 PM
Flop raise is pretty bad; calling the second time around would be even worse. Fold.
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12-10-2015 , 06:00 PM
What range do you expect to get value from?...I think you're either way ahead or way behind,flat flop fold now.
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12-10-2015 , 06:44 PM
It looks like the raise on the flop from op is for protection. I don't hate it. If it checked to us we should definitely bet, so when villains effectively check to us it can't be that bad to raise. I would size smaller though and make it 50.

Im calling it off here. I'm taking your word that he's a bad lag, so I'm guessing that he has no value hands when he uses this sizing. I'd much rather have 98 here, and it sucks that a lot of his pair outs are live, but there's too much in the pot to fold when we def have over 45% against his range.

If villain does have a value hand, it's either T8 or a set. He never has AT here. I don't buy that he does have a value hand though.
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12-10-2015 , 06:50 PM
That he never has a value hand is based on the bad lag I most frequently play against who literally never has a value hand here, but maybe this guy isn't as bad as my guy.
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12-10-2015 , 07:13 PM
If you think he has at least 6/9 combos of sets in his range you should fold because his semibluff have so much equity.
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12-10-2015 , 08:50 PM
ew why are we raising?

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