Hero (260$) - I had just moved to this table chasing a couple action regulars.
So the table as a whole doesn't have much of a read, but the regulars have seen play rather straight forward poker with the occasional bluff.

Villain 1 (210$) - Old asian lady regular. Super tight nut peddlar. I've really only seen her put money into the pot with aces or better.

Villain 2 (300$) - New player at the table as well, never played with him before so no reads really. Hasn't played any hands yet really, just sitting around is buy in.


Villain one Raises UTG to 17$ folds to me
I look down at 9d9c in MP and decide to call knowing that I'm beat at the moment, but will likely double up if I hit a set.
Villain 3 calls on the button.

Flop (54$) 9h5h2s
Villain 1 makes it 80$
Hero???

I know this seems like a pretty trivial shove, but would it be better to just call here and see what villain 3 has to do? If a heart pops off on the turn I could fold and just take the 100$ loss. I think it's a clear shove but my friends had other ideas.

i´d shove all the way,
if villain 3 planned to pay 80 otf he will most likey shove as well.

Shoving makes sense if you hate money. This is a super easy call. You want to get V3 to call and have V1 shove the turn. If the third heart comes, check the turn if it is HU against V1 on the turn then shove the river. V1 is going to have a hard time laying down AA getting 3:1.

given the stack sizes and the bet otf, it´s not burning money...
everybody who call the 80 (and invest 50% from stack) will also call a shove imho.
and a shove looks way more weaker than a call in this situation

The only reason I would think to call is putting V2 on a flush draw, but if the heart comes on the turn, it's not really that possible to lay it down with 100$ committed with top set and 25% equity still is it?

Id elect to call here and shove any non heart turn card. we clearly have the best hand and we want to keep V1's betting range wide.. all shoving does is allow him to play good poker and fold most of his range here... not to mention we could get another 80 from the other V

fwiw pfr is too much to set mine for the most part I know this type of player is a pretty good to target for this, nitty villain, but 8.5x preflop raise for essentially only 100bb deep is a tad of a stretch, if you are doing this on the regular its a pretty large leak over time.

+1

When villains do this garbage of anncouncing their hand to the table/we only hae around 100bb, you certainly cant set mine unless its like 7bb maximum

Flat flop. shove turn after V1 bets again. I'm not too worried about V2 having hearts, thus I want him to come along on the flop. The problem, of course, is that a heart peeling off on the turn kills your action, (unless one of V1's AA/KK/QQ (maybe JJ) is a heart), NOT that you lose to a flush. I'm okay with taking that risk and flat flop, raise turn.

The problem is that you haven't really told us enough about V1. Is she savvy enough to realize that when you call an overbet on the flop you have a monster? Would she ever read your flop shove as a combo draw or naked flush draw or would she snap-fold her overpair? Without these pieces of info I would take default line as above.

Can villain fold AA if you raise this flop? I would doubt it, just sayin

big biets are for big hands-shove

If you want to play your hand like an open book and allow scare cards to hit the turn/river then flat call the flop. If you want to stack Villain 1, raise because there is no way she ever folds AA-QQ on that flop given her remaining stack size. BTW, if you are ever willing to fold the turn because of a heart card, then you definitely should shove the flop.