This one should be fun after everyone made fun of me for only getting 5bb in the pot by the river last hand

V: Been at the table for 45 minutes-ish, bought in for around 400 has limped and called a bunch including calling my A9s EP open with A4o in the BB (HU); Flop: A62; x, x; Turn: A6x2xJ, bet 10, call; River: A62J 6, bet 20, call.
Probably has limp/called at least one hand vs. me and then folded to my flop cbet.
Also he has raised to 12/15 at least once, and he had good cards then.

H: Bought in for 315 was up a 50 or so, is now down like 10. Been at the table for a 2-3 hours, was collecting limp/calls from a bunch of other passive players previously and then it went south. Not sure exactly what V has seen, but def. seen me fire at pots and then lose and also fire at pots with the worst hand and get there later. Stack: 305; V covers (but not by much).


Maybe one limp, but I think it just folds to V in CO
V1 limps
H on BTN with 98s makes it 12.
Folds to V who calls.

So we are HU to:

Pot: 27-29
Flop: K98r (K wasn't in my suit)
V checks
H bets 10
V snap raises to 20
H thinks for probably 20 seconds to a minute
H makes it 80
V within 5-10 seconds asks the dealer "how much is that raise" gets a reply and then says "okay I'm all in" shiping it for just over 200 more.
V wasn't heavily resigned when he said the last bit, but didn't seem happy either.
H ?

For my thoughts in the 20-60 seconds:

Not understanding why you are betting 1/3rd pot on this flop. Standard sizing is 2/3rds pot, there are reasons to bet smaller, but this aint the board or the hand to do it with, should be betting $20.

At low stakes, a raise is almost always overpair or better, or a good draw, This is K9 K8 98 99 88 and occasionaly 76 or JT. Maybe he gets out of line with AK but i doubt it. dont know that you can fold for $10 more, but im DEFINITELY not going $80, much less calling the ship.

Im sure people might say im insane to fold for $10, but what, youre drawing to a 2 outer and you dont even know which are your 2 outs? And even if you hit the 2 outer, he gets counetrfeited and slows down? The only reason you call is to fold to turn aggression and hope he doesnt fire with Jt/76? Or whats the plan?

Live at the table im calling the 10, but here looking at it, i think it might just be an outright exploitative fold to the minraise. Depending on V reads, but he sounds likely passive.

Reraising a min raise is usually a mistake unless hero wants to get all in. Min raises are more likely nut or near nut hands trying to inflate the pot without people folding then anything else. The situation makes set unlikely and there are no good semi-bluffs. Few villains will make any min raise bluffs. So villain's range is something like K9/K8/AK/99/88 then various weirdness. Without any information on villain's min raise patterns I call the min raise and then play the hand carefully. Hero doesn't know what his outs are and likely doesn't have many but the min raise gives hero too good of odds to give up. If I knew more about villain's play I could just fold to the min raise. Bottom 2 just doesn't do well against villain's likely range.

As played I would fold when villain moves all in on the flop. It's rare that this isn't a hand that beats you.

Just calling the min-raise as there will be opportunity on future streets to get money in if you're still ahead.

I get the dynamic is your image is slightly losing but the villain seems like they're adjusting by calling more with marginal hands rather than trying to play savage.
I mean, it's possible they have AA/AK and their little trap has backfired but I wouldn't get to the point of trying to guess at the meaning of the 4bet flop shove

Just call the min-raise. The only reason to make it $80 is because you want to gii, but that obviously wasn't your plan.

Really don't know what to do now. If I can reload, I probably just sigh call and hope he has AK or similar. If you feel he is really strong, just fold and kick yourself under the table. And NEVER show.

Seems like a levelling war here.

V obviously thinks H can raise wide on BTN. V probably would have raised his preflop monsters if H's read is correct. I would probably just call flop minclick and evaluate. Agree that flop bet should be a little bigger.

Based on the A4o hand, I'm trying to keep all of V's Kx in the hand here. So I don't see a reason to take a polar line when I think I can get several streets of value against a guy who overvalues one- pair hands.

AP: H blocks a lot of V's value. I cannot find a fold getting almost 2-1. So I 'm calling here but I'm not loving it.

I mean.. you could have just called the x/raise. Money goes in easy. Calling it off. Sets should be so unlikely.

Don't love the 3bet as I always think it's better to let people over value their hands and you find out more info on the turn so let your position work for you.

As played it's an easy call. You block the only sets he can have and he doesn't have KK.

Hopefully he's spazzing w/ some oddly played AK or other Kx that he limped called because he's a lol live fish and has the mentality that it's only a drawing hand.

You can exploitatively pot this flop unblocking top pair and with plenty of straight draws for a calling station. At least 2/3.

This player is clearly clueless based on description and flop min raise. He can therefore have hands like K9s, K8s. But he has enough overvalued Kx and JT, coupled with our blockers to make me shrug gii.

Min raise is much more nutted on a dry disconnected board. Fish don’t like their monsters getting drawn out on. This is usually a draw or a marginal one pair holding to “see where he’s at”. Obv that seems less likely given his subsequent 4-bet jam but he seems like a button clicker.

Haven't read the spoiler yet.

First thought is just call the min click, and go into defense mode. Worried he has K9/K8. See what he does on turn, and probably fold to a bet if it's another overcard to our 98.

On the other hand, even rec-fish can make in game adjustments. I wonder if he didn't decide to slow-play AK pre to trap you, and now thinks he's got the nuts vs your weaker K's or TT-QQ.

Thinking about it more, if the K on board isn't our suit, and if this guy is only playing K9s, not K8s or K9o, he's repping pretty thin. Like, maybe just 2 combos of K9?

I'm definitely not folding to the min click. Not raising it, but AP, I think we need to call off his jam.

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Call flop and see what his turn sizing is. We have a decent hand and can still raise later.

100% calling the shove.

Results:

NH. V is awful.

Nice hand.

What does "only K turn is visible" mean?

I don't hate your flop jam any more than I like a flat call. Your reasoning seems solid, so as uncomfortable as it may feel, jamming is probably more right than wrong.

Would have been interesting to see what he would have done on turn and river if he didn't improve and you just called the whole way. If stacks get in either way, it's a push, though calling lets us abort mission on a bad run-out. But if he slows down and manages to hold onto some money, the jam is clearly the best play.

If I "know" he has a K with a big kicker then when a K hits the turn I know my hand is no good anymore, but if an A, Q, J, T hits then it's much less obvious when he hits a bigger two pair.

Flop sizing is totally fine

Easy call vs the shove. If ur beat ur beat and there's no way you can fold without tons of history and a read that v is a massive nit

Nothing to even think about vs described villain