1/2: 88 OTB, call or fold vs 3bet
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V1 (CO, $280, old guy) raises to $20,
V2 (HJ, $400, young very loose guy) calls,
Hero (BTN, $390 tight image) calls with 88,
V3 (SB, $230, ABC tight black guy) 3bets to $80,
V1 calls, V2 folds, Hero ???
$60 to win $200 in pot + $150 from V3’s stack plus a possible $200 from V2’s stack totaling $550.
If we know both players have overpairs for sure here, and the board comes low cards with an 8 and we can stack both, is anyone calling here?
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V1 will have $150 left, and be first to act with a pot of $260. Considering he 3! pre, there are very few flops he is not open jamming. This means you are looking at 60:350. That said, you need to decide how often V2 will be calling the jam, and then you need to throw all this out the window given that even if you do hit your set, you have to fade V1 flopping his own set, and V2 hitting whatever he can hit.
EZ fold.
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Standard fold is standard.
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Fold. Don't have the setmining odds we need. My gut tells me you did just that and the flop came with an 8.
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Yep, fold. You're getting at most 9:1 and even that requires both V's to stack off.
Even against one V with a known overpair, you need closer to 12:1. Implicit in assuming V will stack off is that he gets to see all five cards. The small chance that he flops set over your set or makes a higher set on the turn or the river pushes required implied odds up.
In this case, it's even worse, since you very likely have to fold twice as many outs (and the rare times they both have the same pair don't compensate).
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It's fold or backraise - call is losing
