V1 (600)- 40 yo white male, lag
V2 (250)- 25 yo black male, loose, slowplays big hands
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is MP dealt 77
V1 limps EP, Hero limps, V2 raises to 17 from LP, V1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop (50):
J87
Checked to V2 who bets for 17, V1 calls, Hero c/r to 60, fold, fold.

What's the question?

It's well played and good bet sizing.

I mean there is nothing wrong with your line. V2 might of been just trying to pick it up and v1 maybe had an 8 or 7. I don't think either had any strong flush draws. V1 more then likely had just a 8 or 7 maybe AH7x? I don't think AxJx/ QxJx/ KxJx/ are folding here. So you got the max value without putting any real money at risk .You picked up an alright pot.

Just a line check.

No worries, next time be sure to include that somewhere.

I do think the raise is a too big to call with 77 pf to set mine in EP when raiser's stack is only 250, unless you have good reads on him and can play good postflop against him oop.

I would also lead the flop instead.

ya, lead flop

c/r looks too nuttish. a smart player even ith a hand like AA KK may even fold on this dangerous of a board

also you can induce a raise or c/r behind

leading is optimal

Lead here always. Lead for $35. If I had a big draw I would be more likely to CR huge to increase fold equity

Probably raise pre, definitely lead flop.

I'm not sure what odd you use to set mine, 16x vs pfr and more vs other limper seems ideal.

I donk for pot sometimes and go for the c/r sometimes, it is smart to mix it up and not play hands the same everytime or we will become predictable.

Results-

Don't like it.

Open pre. Lead flop.

If I was V2 I'd guess that H had a pretty decent made hand but was incorrectly afraid of the draws and was trying to take down a small pot with the flop check-raise.

My live experience is not a lot of hours but I have learned that most $1/$2 & $2/$5 players ( including regs that should know better but don't ) just don't know the math about drawing hands. Some do know the math but are afraid to get outdrawn.

I would have just flatted the flop. I would expect V2 to bet something on the turn and I'd flat that bet too. Depending upon the size of the turn bet and the river card I'd either bet the river or c/r V2 .

If V2 has a fairly wide range preflop, say 25%, the flopped set is a huge favorite on the flop. Even if a scary card like the ten or nine of hearts hits on the turn the set is still a very big favorite.

H should not try to blow V2 out of the hand but try to get to showdown and most likely win a decent pot.

H knew V2 was loose which means H's opening will most likely be called putting H oop with a marginal hand. Not exactly a formula for winning.

You also suggested smooth the bet instead of check raising, which still leaves H oop with a marginal hand...

You lead out, you lead out for $40. Pot's at least $130 going to turn HU.
You smooth, the bet for $17. Pot's $101 going to turn with TWO villains.

What's the winning formula there?

first post was how I thought H could get max value, given he has flopped a set & clearly has a very strong hand.

You are suggesting donking the flop. This potentially kills V2 from putting more $ in with marginal hands. Why not wait until the turn or river to let him know H really hit the flop ?
V1 is probably just extra $ unless he flopped set also.

second post was disagreeing with opening raising with pocket sevens.

I generally mix it up with mid pairs, sometimes limp sometimes iso. I should've probably raised this hand because V1 is loose.

I prefer to donk here for a psb and I think its much better than achr

Why not? Don't we have good IO for setmining, esp. when two loose players are in the pot? Seems like a great scenario to me, esp. knowing that the 600-deep V is in the pot.

IMO, the preflop play was fine, but the C/R was the wrong move. Hero is looking for value here, and he isn't getting it by C/R'ing, which is the only line that will blow a loose player off a hand, esp. a PFR'er. There is so much in these loose Vs' ranges that will call a flop bet: naked Jx, gutshots w/ overs (QTs, Q9s). We will get calls from hands like that, in addition to all FDs and OESDs, not to mention from overpairs. Loose LLSNL'ers WANT to find a call. Let them, but charge them.

15x is enough when PFR has a very narrow raising range (like QQ+, AKs). If he has a ton of AK, AQ you end up folding the best hand half the time and if he has a wide raising range it will be hard for you to win big when you hit. In this case it seems villain has a much wider range than just TT+, AK+

You shouldn't mix up your game just for the sake of balance if people aren't paying attention. Few villains are wary enough to be able to find out you only lead with sets, etc and they would have to play you a ton to find out