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06-16-2010 , 04:35 AM
Hero stack ~500
V1 ~180
V2 ~270

V2 MP raises to 10
Hero calls 10 with black 77
V1 calls 10 from SB

Flop ($32)

4 K 7

V1 bets 20
V2 raises to 50
Hero??

Both villains are generally tight and dont get out of line. I am not sure if this is an easy raise for value or flat to build a pot and get stacks in on later street. Not too happy with suited board but I am pretty sure I have the effective nuts and if KK is there w/e. Trapping or Raising here? I play with these guys alot so my image is maybe a little laggy and known to make moves but generally on big bets I have the goods (not that I havent been caught on big bets without them).
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06-16-2010 , 05:04 AM
However u choose to play this hand it will look very strong from your opponents perspective. What type of hands does V1 generally donk bet with? If draws r a big part of his range then I'm generally 4betting here to $130ish hoping to get stacks in now. If your image is laggy V2 may put u on a draw and shove with AA/AK maybe KQ and if either have Kxhh then all the moneys probably going in. Of course there is a good chance both villians will fold to your 4bet but that's better then giving V1 a great price on a draw with a fair amount of $$ behind.
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06-16-2010 , 06:19 AM
I would probably just shove. It's about the right sizing for V1, and psychologically it'll make V2 stack off slightly more often.

If it were heads-up I might call but multi-way there's like 16 turn cards you don't want to see so jamming is fine.
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06-16-2010 , 06:41 AM
If they are thinking villains, your cold call is going to look just as powerful as a raise. Somebody has a set and isn't folding. If someone has TP with the nut flush draw, they aren't folding either. Raise to 120 and get it in.
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06-16-2010 , 10:49 AM
If you shove here they may interpret it as some kind of draw 5 6 perhaps and be more inclined to convince himself to call, especially if its AK with at least 1 heart, or AA with the A. Whatever you do here can only be interpreted as very strong such as cold call, so I'd say raise big or shove.
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06-17-2010 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by smallfish69
. What type of hands does V1 generally donk bet with?

V1 could be donking with TP, FD, and maybe even a badly played medium PP or something, and of course air... but its not like he is ever going to get out of line. As soon as V2 raised if he had air or med pp then he would fold. Like you stated, I dont want to price V1 in if it is a FD.
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06-17-2010 , 03:53 PM
I don't mind flatting here and I don't think it looks ultra strong since hero is IP - could have 56/hearts/w-e. This puts $200 ITP and leaves $200 eff stacks. Then ship the turn.

I think this line allows you to get it AI against a villain's wider range rather than just draws, esp if one of them leads into you OTT.
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06-17-2010 , 04:25 PM
I go $170. Its allin for V1, and you can still easily stack the turn against V2 even if a comes.
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