$5 straddle utg i make it 20 in HJ with 67ss(1300eff), villain calls btn (1500), sb shoves for 33 total (had just lost a big pot and didnt reload). I iso to 90 villain calls

Do you like an iso? Bigger sizing better?

Flop (220) Ac10c7c .I bet 115 villain calls

Turn (450) 3c. I bet 220 leaving psb for the river.Villain raises to 500.

This is where things get interesting as he is repping one card for value i.e. K of clubs. He is very bluff heavy here
Pot is 1170 if i shove pot will be 2045 with 575 to call so 3.6 : 1 . I believe pot odds are irrelevant here as i think his range consists of literally just the nuts and air.

First off:
Your room has weird rules.
You should not be allowed to reopen the action as the raise was only $13 more, over your $15 raise, so it is not a complete raise. In most well run poker rooms, you need to have a full raise to reopen the action.

Second:
Why don't you try and give us some reads on the villain?
What has he done so far? Is he a nut peddling nit? Is he a young wannabe wizard? Is he your step brother that you brought here to take all his money?

Third:
What sort of range do you think that he is calling your flop bet with?

Start with these things and get back to us.

EDIT: Had been on the table for just 45mins and had played just one pot with villain in a 4 bet pot where my QQ is good vs his 10 10 .He was super aggressive and had shown down 2 bricked draws as bluffs in the short space of time I had been at the table.( this took place at a tournament festival in a hotel and once moving table had to buyin for at least what you left previous table with/ hence the weird stacks)

ha sorry had clicked submit post before i realised ^^

This may be the most spewtastic 1/2 hand I've ever seen.

Wait, what? A 4-flush ace-high board and you're considering pushing with a 3rd pair no kicker? Even if V is bluffing here, he prob has you beat and now way he's folding any Club for 1/4 pot.

How does 67s hold up against even a wide pf shoving range....dont iso an ai with this hand...

^^Thank you for your insight.Would you shove the turn or fold given THE WAY THE HAND WAS PLAYED(nit the way you would have played it).

ty for input garick.What range do you think villains range is here after his turn raise?

odd halo guy shoves for 33 euro. there is 80 euro in the pot including straddle blinds it is 13 euro to call with 67 ss i think i have the pot odds to call here

Trying to iso is probably not the best option. You are so deep that when V calls you are unlikely to make much because V will either crush the flop or will hit nothing minimizing your value.

Next...1/2 is no foldem holdem. Your hand is weak against pretty much anything. Prolly will do this with second nuts and third if he thinks you are a complete fish. That doesn't even eliminate his multi draw possibilities. If you raise/ship I see V snapping.

You have fired four shells at this guy. There is another player all-in so he will have to show his hand. This is easiest fold ever. You don't get turn raised bluffed in huge pots at this level (very often). He wants all the money in the pot.

I hate your 4 bet to isolate here with 67ss. You hand plays well so just flat. And take a flop.

Flop: Since we bloated pot. I like your c-bet. We fold out alot of pocket pairs. We are out of position so I would hate check/folding here.

Turn: Guy called two raises pre. Called a big (for 1/2) flop bet. We can give up now. No way we have any enough fold equity to fire another 100BB.

Turn: So we did fire another bullet. Got raised. Time to give up. Only hand we beat is a naked Kc.

Our fold equity is zero at this point vs most villains. Shoving and calling are pure spew.

Congratulations!!!! if you won this hand. You found the only player in the pool to bluff in this spot.

PF: 67 suited with good position is barely playable. I like the raise to take the pot PF only, if the table is weak.

When the sb shoves for $13 more it is a call. I HATE the raise to $90 to isolate. Suited connectors are drawing hands that are better played multi-way.

When you get the call from the button you end up playing a, big pot, heads up, with a weak hand, OOP, deepstacks. All bad news.

Try to see a flop as cheap as possible here.

Flop: Bottom pair on tha scary flop. You missed. You bet just enough to make it wrong for a flush draw to call. Is villian smart enough to know that? I only like this c-bet if you have great reads that villian will fold. I like a check-fold line on the flop.

Turn: Terrible card for you. Why do you think he called the flop bet? Check-fold!

The only thing you are beating here is a complete bluff.

Yea tbh i think i prefer flat here and play a small pot post oop here where villain will not be bluffing into side pot...so yea fully agree with preflop.

Villains range to raise turn here should literally be Kc and air..do you agree with this?If this is the case well then i think we can shove profitably versus this opponent. does anyone really think he can be raising turn with a club other than the king?pretty sick play if he raised with q or j of clubs and calls off my shove knowing that i know he is repping so thin

there's a lot of button clicking happening ITT :/

the chances you're running into some super sick opponent shoving on a 4flush board w/ air in a side pot situation at 1/2 are close to zero.

We beat nothing. He isn't folding Q or J. You win in this game by having value hands. If we had the K. We would jam here all day long. And get calls all day long from the Q and J.

Fold!!!!. Yes he is polorized. Heavely weighted to nuts.

Some ppl just get stubborn with 3rd flush or higher. I think this is one of those spots. Pretty big risk to get him to fold with no history given when he leads out/raises. Him getting called on a River bluff is one thing, this is Turn and you don't have anything to 'win' with (pair of 7s!!), you are 100% counting on a fold here.

I would think you could get these chips back from him pretty easily, but why give them to him in the first place. GL

Thanks for insight guys.Anyways hero tank folds and villain shows 56hh to take down big sidepot.I really just felt his bet in this spot he has the nuts or a complete bluff.I mean surely an optimal line for him is to call turn/river with kc qc jc if he thinks im capable of bluffing river with air...saying that he should know that i may view his line as fos and repping so thin on the turn and bluff jam over his raise.

1. I don't know why you are trying to iso with 7 high with a hand that has excellent implied odds 650 bb deep. That seems to be an enormous error which is compounded throughout the rest of the hand.

2. The flop: Your hand has basically no equity on this board. I guess c-betting is fine, but what do you really expect him to fold here?

3. Turn: The double barrel, well I guess if you are going to spew you empty the clip. I can't think of many hands he flats the flop with that don't contain a club. Maybe middle or bottom set intending to wait to the turn. Do we really think he turns these into a bluff or, more importantly, does he even fold these given the price he is getting. I don't know but probably not. Of course the other more likely alternative is that he is raising for value / protection. From his perspective, your hand looks like AA/KK/AK/AQ and maybe JJ with a club (except the AA) and yet he is still sticking in half of his stack. I don't really know any 1/2 or really 2/5 players for that matter that ever take this line with air and I think I play in a pretty aggressive 1/2 game as well as the occasional 2/5 game.

In short, sticking in 6+ buy ins on a pure bluff is probably the worst approach to beating low stakes no limit.

This^

What did money ever do to you that you hate it so much? Let me pm you my address and you can just mail it to me. That way you don't have to bother dealing with the cardroom BS.

Against said Villain, LAGging it up is the absolute wrong adjustment imo. Against this guy we tighten up and let him valuetown himself against our made hands. I mean, if you'd play the same way with a joker and the card that tells you how to order replacement cards, say so and I'll just shut up.

With sooted middle connectors, we want a happy multi-way pot with big implied odds, because we're just not going to win with this hand allot. I generally just fold hands like this in straddle pots myself, because ego seems to quickly assert itself and the hand becomes a d*** measuring contest. If I did play, I'd likely mabe just min-raise (because I'm loathe to limp, even straddled pots). Raising like this is just going to fold all but middle pps+ and sooted broadways, all of which crush us .

The iso is just putting gasoline (or petrol if you prefer) on your money. The guy's all in, so you want to fold everyone else out and put 15bb in the middle with 7-high? Really?

Your c-bet is just lighting a match imo, but since you insist, you should go higher with it. 115 into 220 isn't going to fold anyone out. You should probably go 200ish (hoping to fold out V and take his $60, then hoping you can outdraw Shorty for the rest )

The rest is just dancing in the flames. Since I've never understood the mind of the maniac LAG, I certainly couldn't comment on it.

Fair enough ty for the replies.My questions were regarding the iso pre and the turn shove over his raise.In hindsight I do most definitely prefer just flatting the AI pre flop and kinda hate my iso.

However, the way the hand played out and against this villain I still think shoving the turn is a question that should be addressed(doesn't matter if its at 1/2 if its a +ev play i should be taking it).Basically what it comes down to is his turn raising range and how we do when we shove versus this perceived range.I might be wrong but I think he has only the king of clubs for value and everything else is a bluff.I also think he should definitely be flatting the king of clubs x% on the turn so I think his turn raise is heavily weighted towards bluffs, not value.

Anyone share their opinion on villains perceived range to raise turn here?

OP - what i think youre having trouble accepting is the following:

This one time, this terrible player bluffed me out of a pot w/ 5 high. Because I saw that 5 high, i thought there must have been a way for me to win that hand.

But next time I was in a hand and some other 1/2 player raised the turn in a sidepot, i shoved and he insta called with a set.

That one i chalked up to just bad luck.

So the next time I shoved over a turn raise on a 4flush board holding 3rd pair no flush draw, I got snapped again, but this time this 1/2 player had the flush.

That one i chalked up to just bad luck.

etc etc etc.

I think you are stuck on polorized range. 1-2 players are bad enough to play Ax, sets, 2 pair, and many hands that beat your third pair.

I would agree with you on all of that but the play is completely villain dependent. He's not raising q or j of clubs here. The problem is at 1/2 this has got to be such a rare case unless it's another thinking regular who you have tons of time against and good reads.

Flatting pre makes this hand way different. ISO raising 67s is definitely spew.