Hey guys, my first post on this forum. in b4 "just read thread title, fold pre" lol

V1: $800 (button)
V2: $200 (MP)
Hero: $450 (UTG)

Prehand Descriptions
Villain 1: Only other young guy/possible decent player at table. Playing with gf to his left. Gf I would guess is a marginal winner. She had raise iso'd 2 limpers with QJo in MP. V1 has been fairly active but hasn't shown down much. Very first hand of this table he raised QJo UTG + 1 and then called an older nitty-looking asian lady's decently sized MP 3-bet. Has built his $300 stack to ~ $800.

Villain 2: (not super relevant) Std old guy limp/caller, fit or folder. He would not be expected to limp/f for $12.

Hero: Stacked V1's gf early on with a set, haven't shown down much else in around 3 hours. I showed down an iso LP raise with A9s but V1 was talking and didn't seem to notice.

History with V1: Only 1 hand, with 2 EP limpers he had raised to $6, I 3-bet AQo from the SB to $26, 1 limper calls along with V1. 776hh I bet $35 only V1 calls. Kc ch/ch. 2s he tank folds to my $50 bet.

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Hero is dealt 56

Hero limps, 2 MP limps, V1 Button raises to $12. Hero and V2 call.

I call expecting 2 calls behind me, but only one call behind. I have V1's range on tons of value hands including like JTo, A9s, possibly sooted connectors as well.

Flop ($39) K,7,3
Hero checks, V2 checks, V1 bets $25, Hero calls $25, V2 folds.

Based on previous hands I think he cbets this with all his air. After his tank/fold I didn't wanna take a bluffy ch/r line and I think he gives up on his air after my ch/c from UTG on this flop. I also felt that V2 was folding as he did not seem interested in the hand.

Turn ($89) 7

Hero checks, V1 checks

Possible bluff card but I felt my perceived range was flush draws and KQ/KJ. Anyone rep the 7 here?

River: A

Hero??

My thinking was that this is a horrible card for me to bet, but I have 6 hi! If I bet it just looks like I have a missed flush draw so I thought he might call down light and possibly even bluff raise. I think I may have a leak where I give guys like this too much credit though, how often would I actually get bluff-raised here at 1/2? I'm pretty sure this villain is good enough to look me up here with 88-QQ but I'm not sure about the bluff-raise.

Alrite be honest as possible on all streets plz, thanks!

Fold pre
Fold flop
check/fold river

The ace is indeed the worst card in the deck. With 6bb pre-flop, I would put him on some big pairs or some big cards (Ax with x being J or Q). The ace hits his range too hard.

im not sure bought anyone else but if your going to call on the flop then use the turn as a chance to bet. I really dont think he is trying stand up for his girl or his previous hand so i hope you never let that cross your mind because that really isnt the best reason to bet chips. raise it up on the turn to like 35-40 and if your re-raised FOLD. But with the check on the turn and the river A i think your best to check here and fold to a bet. Any piece of the board has you beat.

BTW, if gf plays this way as a result of his coaching then maybe he is not as decent as you think he is.

I feel like the way he played QJo was much worse, but ya take your pick

In a later hand he did make quad aces vs. my flush and made a sexy ch/r on the river so at the very least he tries to hand read.

lol no she was winning at the time and they had the vibe that they do this a lot

Maybe I gave him too tight a range on the river after all

I won't change any of the lines I wrote earlier though.

Ok well just for argument's sake if we did give him a wider range pre-flop, is this a bet on the river?

edit - or turn?

I don't like any of this to be honest.

Pre, fold. But if you're going to play this hand, why didn't you just raise? I really don't like calling the raise. I would be ok with it if you were MP. You'd be closing the action after one caller and would be in good relative position to the PFR.

As is, calling takes us to the flop in bad relative position, and overall OOP in a bloated pot with a speculative hand. SCs are better played IP and with the initiative.

Flop is another passive play. If you think there's a lot of air in his range, then c/r is best. Floating OOP with 6-high is rarely effective.

Turn is strange. If you floated OOP thinking he has air a lot, then this is a good turn card to barrel. It fits your range, doesn't change his, and lets you show aggression for once.

River is a bad barrel card, but you can take a swipe at it. You can get better hands like the JT and Q-high to fold.

Overall, take a look at your line:

1. Limp/call pre UTG with 6-high
2. c/c flop with GS
3. check turn
4. Bluff river??

Then ask yourself if this is a good way to play poker. I'm sure you can play better than this...

I would overbet all in on the river

OK, I don't know how he plays but I know how I play.

Let's assume I am villain and open raise {99+,KJs+,AJs+,AJo+,KQo} with 6bb this deep.
- with Kx, I would check back the turn because of the stack sizes and call a small bet on the river, considering your tight image.
- with Ax I would call a bigger bet on the river.
- Only with AA or KK (~8% of the range), I would call a 200bb shove on the river but then if I had KK, I would bet the turn. I may check back AA on the turn (depending on how tricky I perceive you).

On the river, TP or better is exactly 50% of {99+,KJs+,AJs+,AJo+,KQo}. So Hero should either check fold or make a leap of faith and shove.

Now if the looser me plays {77+,JT,QT+,KT+,AT+}, TP or better is about 30% of my range. A half pot bet against the looser me should show a profit as I would call with Ax, tank with Kx and fold the lowest part of my range that beats you and that's quite wide. A shove still has the highest EV but I can't expect someone who call a 3-bet with QJo OOP to be as sensible as I am

Wow, okay listen. Fold preflop (both times) and either raise or fold flop. Yeesh this is a trainwreck. As played bet river because YOU CALLED DOWN WITH SIX HIGH.

The extreme replies here are misplaced. With the way the hand played there is only about $90 in the post when the river card hits. OP has approximately $400 behind and Villain has about $800.00 behind. You don't need to shove your whole stack in to get the desired result. If you want to take a shot on the river I'd recommend a larger than pot-size bet around $125-150. I think you get about the same net result without having to donk off your whole stack on the occasions wherein Villain has KK or AA.

If you get check raised you either ran into a well-disguised monster or he just outplayed you. In these unlikely scenarios you at least are only donking back what you're up in the session. I think one of the worst plays is allowing yourself to get stuck on a huge donk bluff over what you're up in a session.

Absolutely hate the check call on the flop. Is this not a very good flop to bluff check raise?

Pre can be okay, don't be such nits. I probably just raise it though.

I think I prefer c/r river. I don't think villain will check back and ace but always b/fs it, and might bet a lot of bluffs in his range once that A hits.

Betting is like meh. I bet like 1/3 pot and rep a range of inducers and weak value, and get folds from pure air.

Flop's like whatever. c/c or c/r are okay, I guess c/r is better but when hero has read on villain I think it's a fine hand to c/c c/r with. Hate c/fing and donking though.

ya I wasn't really considering folding pre on this table. Was pretty surprised that one of the MP's folded.

I felt like he'd b/c Ax's so on the table I just ch/folded the river. It was tough b/c given his high c-bet % and his general style I felt that he was always betting the river with his air.

My main concern was how to get rid of his air cheaply, I like your 1/3 pot idea.

I wonder if I'm being results-oriented in thinking I should've bet the turn. There's only 3 non-diamond aces that make my repping of KQ/KJ unbelievable on the river. Of course the 7 is a card that helps my range more than his, but I was playing tight enough that I didn't think he'd give me too many 7x's and would just be more likely to put me on a FD and possibly even call 2 streets light. I felt like it was better to just continue as if I had KQ/KJ.

Against thinking players I usually prefer to not rep such a small range, idk ch/r here might be something I should incorporate into my game more.

I don't mind the flat preflop since you're so deep with villain 1 but flop is really bad call on a 2 suited board and no back door flush draw.

I don't think making plays based on how you're doing at the time is a good idea personally. Agree probably not good to shove $400 into a $90 pot.

fwiw I can't get ch/r, I'm oop. I wonder if a 1/2 player would ever bluff-raise with like JTs here.

I suppose I need to adjust more from being a HU guy (non-bumhunter) to playing FR live... I know HU against thinking players if you ch/r these type of flops often you will get killed. Whereas if you ch/c you often get credit for a smaller range than you have.

Thanks for the replies guys, I'll try to incorporate ch/r more in spots like this.

thought this was funny, the one guy ITT to say ch/c is okay

I miss HU so much

From my limited experience not very often.

grunch

If you're gonna play this hand preflop, which you should do pretty rarely, you should open raise it. Especially with an aggro player on the button, you really shouldn't be limp/calling with it.

As played preflop, I don't like the float because you're OOP, but it's not that bad.

As played on the flop, I think a river bet is fine. You're repping AdXd or a slowplayed set (Edit: or a 7). You shouldn't really worry about getting bluff-raised here because I just don't think he ever has a monster (he doesn't seem like the type to check behind the turn with K's full or quad 7's) so if he does raise the river, you can re-raise 'cause he just can never have it and you can.

Bet like $50 and if he raises, jam.

Check/fold is obviously fine too.