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04-14-2018 , 12:06 PM

XXX555666

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Hi all,

1/2 game that plays very loose.

I'm the effective stack with $165.

V1: OMC. Usually generally very tight. Today he actually is playing way more loose pre. Usually calls a ton and never raises.

V2: Very loose pre. Bluffs a lot but makes solid folds when people are playing aggressive against him. Think he really respects my game.

H: young guy playing pretty much the tightest at the table.

OTTH. 3 people limp pre including V1. I limp with 5

in the cutoff. V2 raises to only $11 on the button everyone calls including me.

($55) Flop: 4

Everyone checks, I check, V2 bets $35, V1 calls. We jam.

Standard?

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04-14-2018 , 12:10 PM

xSlingshot66

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Why not play it out and go for max value.

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04-14-2018 , 12:25 PM

venice10

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Fold preflop after the raise. You aren't getting the odds to make calling profitable because of your short stack.

As played, any caller is getting over 2:1. If you had more behind, you could get another FD to fold. As is, they are calling, along with any TP, OP hand. Shoving isn't a horrible play, but if you were deeper, it would have been more effective.

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04-14-2018 , 12:25 PM

spirit123

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I like it. These are the best hands to semi-bluff with. You don't mind calls, but you definitely don't mind taking down the pot with 6-high.

You have enough FE and actual equity in this spot to make this a fist-pump shove IMO.

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04-14-2018 , 01:10 PM

xSlingshot66

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He has a flush and a open ended straight draw.. why would he wanna push out top pair. He wants to call the raise and stack off when it hits.

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04-14-2018 , 01:23 PM

spirit123

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

He has a flush and a open ended straight draw.. why would he wanna push out top pair. He wants to call the raise and stack off when it hits.

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Because Hero is not going to hit his draw half of the time. It's much better to take down a pot unimproved than HAVE to improve to win a pot and lose money in the process half of the time by just calling. If Hero doesn't raise, he never give other players the opportunity to fold.

Plus, if Hero calls and hits his draw, some opponents won't pay off.

Why wouldn't you want to fold out better hands when you have nothing?

This is not to say calling is somehow bad. But the higher the fold equity and the tighter Hero's image, the more likely semi-bluffing is the better option.

Last edited by spirit123; 04-14-2018 at 01:34 PM.

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04-14-2018 , 01:24 PM

Chicagodude

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I call here and see another card and hope to get someone else to come along myself.

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04-14-2018 , 01:30 PM

Katman

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As standard as it gets.

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04-14-2018 , 01:34 PM

xSlingshot66

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This was a dream flop. If you wanna turn your hand into a bluff when you flopped the world... You shoulda just folded pre.

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04-14-2018 , 03:57 PM

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m_hood115

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

This was a dream flop. If you wanna turn your hand into a bluff when you flopped the world... You shoulda just folded pre.

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Uhh...What?

Hand is standard as played.

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04-14-2018 , 04:04 PM

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snowman

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if your going to play short stacked
fold pre

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04-14-2018 , 04:09 PM

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matzah_ball

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

This was a dream flop. If you wanna turn your hand into a bluff when you flopped the world... You shoulda just folded pre.

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Don’t try to give advice when you’re awful at poker

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04-14-2018 , 04:27 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done trying to help bad regs

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04-14-2018 , 04:38 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done trying to help bad regs

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04-14-2018 , 04:38 PM

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m_hood115

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

Uhh if you wanna push villain out to win 50$ then sure. I wanna hit my draw and win 170.

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You act like he can't still hit his draw after shoving. This gives him a chance to push out better draws and take down the pot with 6 high. Your advice sucks.

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04-14-2018 , 04:42 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Originally Posted by m_hood115

You act like he can't still hit his draw after shoving. This gives him a chance to push out better draws and take down the pot with 6 high. Your advice sucks.

Hero said table was loose there not folding tp tk or s over pair your getting stacks in behind on a draw instead of playing it out cheaply then stacking if you hit.

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04-14-2018 , 04:44 PM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

Uhh if you wanna push villain out to win 50$ then sure. I wanna hit my draw and win 170.

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First off to everyone, knock off the insults.

However, if you call and make your FD on the turn, the villain is going to be unlikely to pay you off. In fact, if someone else comes along in that situation, you're likely to lose the hand. As said above, winning $50 with a 6 high is a good result.

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04-14-2018 , 04:51 PM

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m_hood115

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

Hero said table was loose there not folding tp tk or s over pair your getting stacks in behind on a draw instead of playing it out cheaply then stacking if you hit.

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It's even better if someone is willing to stack off with an over pair or top pair. Our equity is amazing against those hands. It's like printing money.

Calling and hoping to hit a flush draw out of position is really terrible advice. Chances are if a diamond spikes the turn we're not extracting max value unless we're toast.

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04-14-2018 , 04:59 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done

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04-14-2018 , 05:02 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

Do you think AK AQ AJ A10 is folding when they have a flush draw and two overs.

So because we're up against a better flush draw, we should call and hit our gutshot to a straight.

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04-14-2018 , 05:10 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done

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04-14-2018 , 05:11 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done

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04-14-2018 , 05:12 PM

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m_hood115

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Originally Posted by xSlingshot66

Going all in is bad. Calling and re-evaluating on turn/river is better.. nothing is calling this all in unless it has you crushed.

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Lol, what? There is no hand that has us crushed.

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04-14-2018 , 05:13 PM

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xSlingshot66

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Done

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04-14-2018 , 05:14 PM

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Done

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