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1/2/5 55 - Flopped Quads Line and Thoughts Check 1/2/5 55 - Flopped Quads Line and Thoughts Check

07-02-2020 , 03:17 PM
1/2/5, 9 handed, $600 effective with main villain. Main villain is a LAG - a genuine LAG, too, which are pretty rare at LLSNL. He will triple barrel bluff, 3 bet bluff, 4 bet bluff, bluff raise draws, etc. Hero has TAG reg image.

OTTH

$5 rock/straddle is UTG. Villain opens +2 $25, hero calls HJ with 5 5, and tight passive reg calls OTB.

Flop ($83): 5 5 4. Villain bets $40, hero calls, and BTN calls. Thoughts: villain bluffs at way too high of a frequency. I know this isn't a bad board to bluff three ways, but I'd be surprised if villain isn't range betting here. I want to leave BTN in, too. I'm all for fast playing when we flop the nuts, but it feels like a disaster to raise here and get villain to fold all of his bluffs, and a lot that he'll continue with on the turn. I also don't want OTB to hero fold a pp. FWIW - I raise this flop versus every other player at the table.

Turn ($203): 6. Villain bets $130, hero calls, and villain folds. Thoughts: This is where I think I may have ****ed up, but am unsure. My thoughts at the time were if I call right here, BTN folds, and villain checks river we have a .87 SPR, so we can easily shove. BTN is probably calling all of his pocket pairs and FDs still, but won't if I raise. Villain also might have air, and will shove the river, but will just fold if I raise now. The problem is, is that I don't know if villain is thinking "hero is tight, I can blow him off of a lot of his range regardless of the river," or "hero is tight, he calls here and I give up, because there's no way he doesn't have a boat, or at least a 5."

River ($463): 2. Villain checks, hero shoves for $405. Thoughts: this was what I had in mind. The river is gross because it brings four to a straight, but I don't think that should be too relevant given the way the hand played out, and how could I have a 3 here?
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07-02-2020 , 03:50 PM
By calling, you keep yourself with some draws in your range. That's perfect with a maniac. Let him hang himself. By raising on the turn, you are screaming that you have a big hand and im pretty sure that would have killed your action. By calling, you also let him a chance to hit something. Giving him another reason to shove the river.

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07-02-2020 , 04:22 PM
It looks fine to me. The villain's turn size made this awkward. What are you going to do? Raise to $300 and leave yourself $100 behind? Your stuck between making an very small raise or shoving and neither of them is appealing. Plus you want to give button a chance to stick around.

Turn shove would look better if the turn was a spade. Now you have some bluffs in your range and can get some calls by villain's spades and big draws.

The only thing to keep in mind is having a bit of balance. If your playing this guy on a regular basis then go ahead and shove turn sometimes and occasionally suck bet the river. If you want turn bluffs to have some credibility you need to shove monsters also some of the time.
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07-02-2020 , 04:36 PM
Its fine

If we're playing the hindsight game it's interesting you think raising turn is better than raising flop...
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07-02-2020 , 11:44 PM
Raise this flop vs competent players to balance your range. Just play face up vs all the donks (which means call/call/shove IP). Since the initial raiser is the lag then treat him as the mark, it's unlikely you're gonna keep the BTN along.
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07-08-2020 , 11:30 PM
I think you need to raise before the river. For me I'm probably upping the ante on the turn. It's a boss ass move to raise the flop but you need the right V to read it right. This V may be that V if he's a legit LAG. Otherwise just min click the turn based on these stacks.
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07-09-2020 , 05:17 AM
Don't fold if he calls.
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07-09-2020 , 06:27 AM
We aren’t that deep against an agro villain on the type of board where I would expect him to have a decent amount of bluffs so I like the slowplay here. Depending on your dynamic raise flop is fine.
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07-09-2020 , 07:56 AM
Line looks fine. I would consider a turn raise, just because some rivers will kill your action, but that will also lose the complete air that might 3-barrel on river blanks.
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07-09-2020 , 10:19 AM
Looks fine, imho.

With Hero in the middle of two opponents, I think your bluffing range on flop and turn is diminished.
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07-09-2020 , 11:56 AM
Raise the flop against this type of villain. Something stupid like 105. Let him shove is flush draws with overs, big pairs, wild bluffs.
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07-11-2020 , 06:02 PM
I fold baby pockets to a raise in HJ.

I don't think you can go wrong calling down against an aggro villain IP here. When he checks river you may as well go for broke and jam it in.
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07-11-2020 , 06:13 PM
Why do you fold baby pocket pairs to a raise in the HJ?
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07-11-2020 , 07:35 PM
folding pocket pairs in position against the OR in a likely multiway pot is way too tight.
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07-11-2020 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Why do you fold baby pocket pairs to a raise in the HJ?
Because I lose money cold calling raises with baby pockets online except on the button and big blind. Online =/= live but it's a useful guide since you simply don't get the same sample size or quality of data playing live.
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07-11-2020 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Because I lose money cold calling raises with baby pockets online except on the button and big blind. Online =/= live but it's a useful guide since you simply don't get the same sample size or quality of data playing live.
I would've folded if it were on online on most sites...I don't recall ever playing at a live table though where it was highest EV to fold
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07-11-2020 , 10:58 PM
Well to be fair I am a huge nit and also bad at poker, so I'm not strongly advocating a fold. I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to folding, especially when not playing BTN/CO/BB. That said, I doubt folding here is anything more than a small error at worst.
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07-12-2020 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Because I lose money cold calling raises with baby pockets online except on the button and big blind. Online =/= live but it's a useful guide since you simply don't get the same sample size or quality of data playing live.
I can't tell you how different live is at this level. It's like 2005 online level games.
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07-13-2020 , 12:40 AM
I play live as well and 100% it's not like online. Just not convinced that baby pockets are an overcall from HJ.
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07-13-2020 , 04:21 AM
I believe small pocket pairs are a fold in the HJ at equilibrium. Call is an exploit due to the loose passive nature of live games and bad post flop play. In general I think the profitability of calling small pairs to set mine at these stacks is overrated but the preflop call is likely fine here.
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