1/2 game after midnight.

V1 BB ($1500) covers. Late 20s black guy who is a thinking player but not a TAG. Has a dog in his lap.

Hero Button ($800) MAWG. Image pretty strong when showing down. V1 has played with me before. Hero plays a TAGish game. I've probably 3bet so far this session maybe 5-6 times in 6 hours. When I have and shown it has been premium.


Hero Straddles $5
SB folds,
V1 makes it $15
4 callers to Hero with A5cc


V1 in this spot would check raise or raise much larger with an actual premium hand (JJ+/AQ+). I range him on Ax, mid suited connectors/one gappers, smallish pockets.


$80 in the pot to hero and he....

see a flop

Don't straddle unless the table has agreed to it. I just like calling the raise. I don't think a squeeze is the worst thing in the world, but getting a 3x price and closing the action with a nut mining, non premium, I prefer to just call.

Great spot to squeeze, V1 doesn't have anything with that sizing and the 4 callers have crap too. Easy 3bet. Yada yada..

Back to reality, 30 seconds later we're in a >120BB multiway pot OOP and see a flop of ???

Kind of depends on the callers, but a squeeze is great. However, I probably just see a flop w/ this hand and this many players in position. Getting 4bet would suck.

We are on the button. Mississippi straddle.

Raise or call are both fine. I’ll pick … raise to $110.

Like posters here I was torn between call and nut mine or raise.

I would up raising to $95. Too small?

V1 calls, everybody else insta-mucks.

Flop $270ish. 2c 3d 6d


V1 checks.

Hero?

Sizing is fine.

I mean this is a mandatory cbet, I feel. We can bet our entire range small on this board as PFR in position. I’d go $50-$70. Expect to get some fold equity against Q-hi and we might even get called by worse hands like KQ. I plan to barrel turn to get better A-his to fold.

I mean you just said V has small pp and SC, of course check back. Pre is going to depend a lot on the opponents as to what the clear best play is - if they're stacking themselves deep w non-nutted trash then you cannot allow them to fold pre. There is also no need to devolve this convo into the usual bullsht about how hard it is for 2 players to make flushes in the same hand, of course it's 'hard', but it's also how 800bb pots are won against idiots. The rest of the time you get to win small/medium ones or just lose 3bb trying.

If you’re cbetting TT-AA for value on this board, you need some bluffs. What hand is a better bluff than A-hi, gutter, BDFD. Also makes a lovely turn barrel, unblocking the front door flush draw. Can’t get MUBSY about 66,54s at 3SPR. Fire away.

I like your size pre when 3 betting. Though like I said, I'd just call.


You can probably get away with betting your entire range on this flop for $90. We have the QQ+ advantage and they're going to have a ton of hands that completely whiff.

I nutmine pre but now we're here I cbet.

Agreed with the nutmining contingent.

Cbet $80.

I agree with raising, but I think the sizing is too big. I realize there are 4 callers but I’d probably just bet about pot $75.

I agree with Chaos and I think that this flop is a great one for us to barrel multiple streets, checking is awful. I’d probably go with 1/3 pot and bet 90.

Results--

Hero cbets flop for $90. V calls.

Turn 3x. Here's where I chicken out.

V1 pauses then checks. Hero does the same. I just dont have the stones at this point to barrel twice here. Bad mistake?

River Qd, V shoves. Hero folds. I know he is looking for a fold on the river but I can't call. He flashes the Ad after he shoves which is weak af.

Thanks to all the replies. I posted b/c I thought internally there were some go either way streets.

Sometimes flatting, sometimes making it $115. Both are fine. I lean slightly more towards flat to try and nut mine against someone else in the field

Ranging 1/3rd on flop is fine

Turn bet sounds like a decent idea here. I mean we’re totally betting all overpair combos here, right? This board strongly favors us.

If you canÂ’t barrel the turn then you shouldnÂ’t be betting the flop imo, and you shouldnÂ’t be 3betting pre. Part of 3-betting a polarized range (which is what an A5s 3b is), is balancing out or 3 bets so weÂ’re not just 3betting premiums, and we need to be prepared to barrel good flops like this one or itÂ’s a pretty big leak to do against decent Vs.

Instead of thinking how your hand hit this board, think about VÂ’s spot if you continue barreling? How would you feel in his spot with overs facing a c-bet and 1/2-2/3 psb on the turn? How much do you even like your 77-JJ holdings?

V probably knows you canÂ’t be strong on this board textures but that doesnÂ’t mean he has anything to call your bluff. However, once you chicken out on the turn he knows the pot is his for the taking. If I were V IÂ’d shove river with anything I floated the flop with because itÂ’s printing money.

Post post note. Surprised nobody asked about the dog.

I talked to him previously asked if he had epilepsy or something and needed the dog to warn him. His answer was he was fine, the dog had severe separation anxiety. He was the dog's emotional support human. What a world we live in.

Pretty much, yes. The turn card is a brick. In that situation if you are going to bet the flop small then you need to carry through on brick turns almost all the time against a non-nit opponent.
If you plan to only bet once then it needs to be bigger to put more pressure on villain on the flop. That gets into a very complex balancing game though because you also need to bet bigger with some of your made hands.

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After he flats pre, a lot of his range is calling the flop. I would never be cbetting the flop hoping to take it down with one bet (either this flop or any flop). I would say to myself after seeing the flop, "this is at least a 2 barrel flop" if I decide to bet.

I like the raise and size pre. I'm never just calling here. We need some bluffs and this is the best hand to do it. I like flop but we have to barrel turn. This is a great card for us since he now has fewer sets. If we aren't barreling this turn we should probably check back flop

Great thing about barrelling this turn is it gives us a bluffing range on a diamond river. If we're only betting overpairs+ and diamond draws on the turn, how do we ever bluff the river when the diamond hits?

Yes, huge mistake. It's so incredibly exploitable to 3bet then barrel once. For starters somebody called your 3bet so they must have something. On a board like this people are going to peel one to see if you're just pure cbetting and the off-chance they can bink and win a huge pot. They have every reason in the world to call nearly 100% of the time hence the reason you must continue on the turn nearly 100% of the time no matter what hits.

I'm all for preflop squeezes but I would rather flat with a hand like A5s just to make a sweat free nutted hand vs somebody. Too much value postflop.