BB is a middle aged asian man who will def gamble

hero is seen on the tighter side

villain 2 is an older asian man who is very very passive


$1/$2 and the mandatory $4 is on and it's mine
Keep in mind that I play in games where the max pot limit is $800 regardless

Hero straddles for $4 with TT, villain 2 calls, several other callers, the BB makes it $25 more, hero calls, villain 2 calls, folds, SB calls.

Flop($120)823
BB bets $60, hero calls, villain 2 calls, fold

Turn($300)823A
BB says all in, hero....

now this is where it gets interesting. I tank for quite awhile, villain puts out $250 because the dealers stacks the chips and we can clearly see that there is about $300 in the pot, if not exactly. So if i call and villain 2 calls, it would be $166 each, if I only one of us calls, it would be $250 each.

table talk:
BB is telling me to fold and that he has two pair and that he wouldn't lie to me, which I'm not sure what two pair he's trying to rep and I don't believe him. He's telling me how he's trying to help me out and he wouldn't lie and all that good stuff.

All of a sudden this older asian man (villain 2) says "you call, I call" lol, the dealer tells him he can't say that and so does the floor, but the damage is already done.

I tank and tank some more, all the while someone calls the clock I think, but I never get a count down, and the BB keeps telling me he has be beat and to just fold.



It sucks that I have the T, taking all the TX flush draw combos out.

can the both have flush draws, can I ever be good here?

I thought this was actually a pretty interesting spot... thoughts?

3betting preflop, shouldnt get too much credit and you have terrible relative position now. As played I'm probably folding. Way way way behind or pretty much flipping. And a villain behind you

Seems like a really easy fold on the turn. I just don't see what you beat here besides lower pocket pairs. That's a big raise up front from the BB out of position. Even a looser guy would probably only do that with 88+, AT+, KQ. The only hands you are ahead of in this range is 99 and KQ. All of the Ax hands got there on the turn. So while you're getting decent odds, I just can't see you being ahead nearly enough to be +EV here.

The classic tell philosophy is that if he is saying the opposite of the truth.
But, that seems too obvious. I doubt he had 2 pair.
He raised before the flop. Only way he has 2 pair is if he raised pre-flop with 82.
So, I bet he has QQ, KK, AA.

I would not have called the big raise with pocket 10s.
Odds are, you don't hit trips, and then what?
Any bet with overcard is going to be hard to call.

You're not calling pre flop? I'm never folding this pre flop in this situation.

Why would he shove with 99+ on the ace turn, to turn his hand into a bluff or for value?

Well, I ended up calling for some reason as did the villain 2

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/5798949

straddler JJ
villain2 K4

9 river

I'm a novice, but pocket 10s are going to easily be beat on the flop. And he's betting heavy, so he might have pocket pair also. Just a situation I prefer to avoid. I would BET with 10s (and try to C-bet with a weak flop), but not call with 10s. Nothing worse than calling, only to see an over card on the flop with more villain betting.

We are missing stack sizes.

Also, are you able to put BB on a range? Does he have any positional awareness? 77? Any broadway?

What is V1's cbet behavior? If he is capable of cbetting, his flop bet probably means absolutely nothing.

My thoughts so far:
1. If you think V1 is opening light out of the BB, I wonder if a 3bet is appropriate?
2. If not, did you have odds to set-mine?
3. I can't say I've seen all that many heroic all-in river bluffs, whether with air or a draw, compared with the number of times I've seen people over bet TP+ hands to ward off draws. This is pretty much a yawn-fold in my book.

Then what hands are you calling with, AA+?

We all have $400+ and the max pot limit is $800 no matter what. So we're only $266 effective if the three of us end up getting all in.

I believe that BB is aware that he's going to be oop the entire hand, I think he range is on the stronger side

He' capable of cbetting light even thought it's 3 way action I think

1. 3bet/calling did cross my mind
2. I believe I do since the old passive asian man is coming along a large % of time
3. Yeah, it's def a fold, I don't know how I talked myself into calling this

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/5798949

Well first of all, everybody knows that tell. Don't waste your time trying to figure out if he knows that you know that he knows that...

The question here is, what's his range?

One simple question is key: is AQ- in villain's range?

If villain is only ever on pocket pairs, then hero is probably going to hate most flops.

But there are way more combos of AK, AQ etc and if those are in the mix, then hero is probably ahead.

It follows though that if an ace falls, hero is crushed.

I get the feeling that sometimes people try to pick up limped pots by raising light out of the blinds. If that's a possibility, then 3betting should be considered. But I think OP is right, IME villain is almost always strong.

But not too too strong. He's a gambler, not a nit. I think there are more "20's" than pp's in his range. (And A8 is not out of the question).

Sounds like you are getting about the right price to set mine 15x (complicated by pot max, but I think fine). This villain isn't your average villain and as such i'm ok raising preflop. As played, flop is close but I think we can peal one and evaluate. However, when Other Villain calls I'm worried. Turn Ace makes this a super easy fold. Both you and other villain should fold on that card.

I'm pretty tight about calling BIG bets pre-flop.
But, I always know that if anything comes higher, and he bets, I am out.
So, it's a good chance you'll lose.
Low PP's, I don't call. 10's maybe. But not a huge call, either.

It has already been established that the bet was small enough to justify calling with 22, let alone TT.

Idiot

Lady bugger more time reading, less posting. You're way off

Just read several other threads that agreed.
You don't 3 bet low pocket pairs.