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1/2, 200bb deep, king-high flush, dangerous board 1/2, 200bb deep, king-high flush, dangerous board

08-03-2010 , 01:30 PM
Okay, so this the first time I've posted a hand I played, so feedback on the hand itself, and my structure would be appreciated.

The table: Very loose preflop. standard raise is 12-15, no raise pre-flop sees 4-9 players at the flop. I've been here for about 20minutes at the time of the hand, so the information I've gathered is limited. UTG+1 has made some decent plays, and made some discipline folds post-flop. He is in almost every hand pre-flop, so his starting range is wide.

My image: The table has seen me hesitantly call an allin pre-flop from EP with aks when villian had 75bbs (and AA). I showed me laying down top pair to a paired board to UTG+1 who showed me trips.

utg+1(200bb deep) limps, utg+2(~100 bb deep) limps, utg+3(~30bb deep) limps, CO limps, hero(200bb deep) limps on btn with K4ss, sb calls, bb checks.

Flop
pot=$14

6s 8s 10s


Utg+1 bets out 10, utg+2 calls, utg+3 thinks then calls, hero raises to 50 (I called the bet of 10 and raised 40). utg+1 calls quickly, utg+2 folds, utg+3 calls.

UTG+3 is put all in with this raise. UTG+3 was very loose anything from a pair+spade to the nut flush. There is a side-pot of ~$50 created between me and UTG+1.

Turn
pot=$115 side-pot=$50

6s 8s 10s 9h


utg+1 checks, hero bets 50, utg+1 insta-calls.

River
pot=$115 side-pot=$150

6s 8s 10s 9h 7s

utg+1 bets 95, hero thinks...


Thoughts? 95:320... Whats utg+1s range? Do I have odds to call? Would you have done anything differently before the river? Why?
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08-03-2010 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
utg+1(200bb deep) limps, utg+2(~100 bb deep) limps, utg+3(~30bb deep) limps, CO limps, hero(200bb deep) limps on btn with K4ss, sb calls, bb checks.
why?


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Originally Posted by tmckendry
Utg+1 bets out 10, utg+2 calls, utg+3 thinks then calls, hero raises to 50 (I called the bet of 10 and raised 40). utg+1 calls quickly, utg+2 folds, utg+3 calls.
really now?

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Originally Posted by tmckendry
River
pot=$115 side-pot=$150

6s 8s 10s 9h 7s

utg+1 bets 95, hero thinks...

Thoughts? 95:320... Whats utg+1s range? Do I have odds to call? Would you have done anything differently before the river? Why?
Now you fold. Do you really think he will lead for $95 with worse?

By the way, it would be helpful to know if UTG+1 is a good/bad/******ed player... would he bet a Jack here cuz he got the good strait lol? The As beats you, The 9s beats you, and so dies 45ss (but he prolly doesn't have that). You are very likely beat so just fold, most people won't chase a Q/J high flush and then lead out on the river.
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08-03-2010 , 01:41 PM
The first thing that jumps out at me is I would have bet more than $50 on the turn.

If UTG+1's range includes a straight or the naked A, this is a great card for you and you need to get as many chips in the middle as possible (UTG+3 being all-in is irrelevant). Something closer to the size of the pot, but at least $120.

By the river, I think I make a crying call hoping to avoid the A and/or 9. Then again, your $50 bet on the turn may have been seen as weakness and this may have been UTG+1's attempt at a river bluff using the scare card. I do not see how you can fold that. Too much out there to walk away with the essential third nuts.
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08-03-2010 , 01:45 PM
Bet more on the turn. River looks bad but getting over 3:1 I call.
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08-03-2010 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by grungedave
The first thing that jumps out at me is I would have bet more than $50 on the turn.
Yep/otherwise well played. I make crying call on river also
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08-03-2010 , 04:28 PM
Bet more on turn, Fold river.

Close thread.

You guys on river calling suck.
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08-03-2010 , 08:33 PM
definately bet more on turn.

dont think that you are going to lose him and you need to valuebet. He donk/called a 3bet on wet flop. You gotta assume hes drawing heavy or has a good made hand so he will be calling a good size bet there, especially with the AI and sidepot going on.

on river fold. u have the K so do you think hes doing this with the Q hi flush?
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08-04-2010 , 02:32 AM
Interesting. Seems most people are in the fold camp.

I folded my king high flush, he showed 66, set of 6s. Now that I look back, hes playing any set off the flop the same way. He could have As+pair aswell.. combination of hands would dictate As+pair or straight flush more likely.

What I was really wondering about was if the pot odds dictated a call if we assumed hero is capable of a bluff with a set that doesn't fillup..
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08-04-2010 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by grungedave
The first thing that jumps out at me is I would have bet more than $50 on the turn.

If UTG+1's range includes a straight or the naked A, this is a great card for you and you need to get as many chips in the middle as possible (UTG+3 being all-in is irrelevant). Something closer to the size of the pot, but at least $120.

By the river, I think I make a crying call hoping to avoid the A and/or 9. Then again, your $50 bet on the turn may have been seen as weakness and this may have been UTG+1's attempt at a river bluff using the scare card. I do not see how you can fold that. Too much out there to walk away with the essential third nuts.
Pretty much this.

Bet at least $85 into $165 on the turn ($120 might scare him away ). We want to set things up so that villain will either spaz out and shove over the top of us with the naked A on the turn or so he will call an allin with a weaker flush when the river blanks.

Last edited by Nogyong; 08-04-2010 at 03:44 AM.
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08-04-2010 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom1975
Bet more on the turn. River looks bad but getting over 3:1 I call.


this

for villain to donk turn, then now represent the As on river, its just a little too coincidental. Getting this price we have to happily call/.
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08-04-2010 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
this

for villain to donk turn, then now represent the As on river, its just a little too coincidental. Getting this price we have to happily call/.
villain didn't donk the turn
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08-04-2010 , 10:52 AM
Bet more on the turn but I am not folding the river. To me his bet sizing looks like somewhat of a blocker bet and I don't think he ever flopped the a high flush given the way he played it. The naked As is possible but he could easily have his mind made up that you have a set here and will fold. (Not to be results oriented but I am really surprised at all the people arguing a fold here)
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