*important note: this is 1/2 2-100 spread limit. Max bet is $100*

Hero($200) Button: Bad rec player trying to make a return to the game after a 2yr hiatus from any serious poker. Have been at the table for ~3hrs, mostly folding. Spewed earlier with a hand that I'm also going to be putting up but I'm generally viewed as nitty.

v1(covers) MP2: Gambooly reg that is down at least a BI after calling off stack with an OP, bought back in for $300. Friendly and seems to know most of the peeps.

v2 LJ($180): Quiet, tight, passive

v3 CO(covers): Loosey goosey, active, talkative. Nice guy

Preflop:
v1 Opens to $12 from MP2, both v2 and v3 call. Hero 3! to $55 w/ A:K:. v1 asks how much, hem and haws for a few seconds, and then makes the call. v2 snap folds.

v3 tanks and starts the show, saying things like "I haven't seen you play many hands, I don't know what you consider a good hand. What do you have? AQ? Huh? You have AQ here?"

v1 starts to laugh and responds "Oh c'mon man, we all know what he has."

Dealer finally puts an end to talk about the hand and v3 ends up folding.

Flop($132): J:4:2:
v1 checks
Hero($145) bets out $100 (thoughts?)
v1 looks at his cards, looks at the flop, and then then re-raises my last $45 on top
Hero ever doing other than calling here?


I honestly don't know what I should be doing here on the flop once villain checks. Checking back feels weak and allows them to draw for free. I don't think I mitigate commitment issues by betting smaller, and I give him better odds for his draws. Plus I'm probably ahead here the majority of the time.

When he raises he is rep'ing sets, right? That's only 9 combos out of what I think is their preflop calling range. I tend to think his range is capped going to the flop and includes:

[22-QQ, AQs-A2s, KQs-K9s, QJs-54s, Q10s-57s, AKo-A10o, KQo-KJo, QJo]

Please to be sharing how bad I messed this one up. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

at that stack depth just check/fold because you'll have to double barrel this minimum to get him off and you lack the FE at this point.

Pre is good. I wouldn't worry too much post. If he is gamble, gamble his range is pretty wide and basically have 1psb left


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Just jam flop.
With those stacks, never folding, it's a relative dry flop for a 3bet pot.
Whatever, he happened to have a flush draw and got there. Reload.
Sounds like a great table to me with guy will call a good sized 3bet with 76s oop.

update: for spread limit, played fine.

There is nothing hard about this hand.

GII otf.

Fair enough, and I tend to agree.

What if you're only able to get in 2/3 of your stack OTF? When V reraises for the final 1/3, are we always calling here?

Just gii and reload.

3b pot pre for 25% of my stack, I'm seeing the river.

Kk, thanks for the responses dawg. I appreciate it.

Still jelly of that dick deep powder you were in last week, sure the riding was sick.

Dafuq dood? You've been here long enough to know not to post results.

Yeah, it's been a while G. My b. Fixing.

Was prob too late for you to edit, so I did it. On a board this dry, in a 3-bet pot, I think we can c-bet a bit smaller. I make it $75 if I c-bet. Lately though, no one gives credits to c-bets, so I've taken to doing a lot of delayed c-bets on dry boards like this.

AP, obvious crying call is obvious.

omg I missed the betting limit despite reading it.

You might elect for two $70 bets instead of one jam because some villains will fold to the 2nd one. But it's villain dependent and it looks like this game's structure will be force your choice.

Just cuz it's Turtle...

I'd probably 3bet to an amount that sets up a ~PSB shove on the flop, so just a smidge more to like $60. Our plan will likely be to commit for all our chips postflop whether we whiff or not, so if we whiff I like getting them all in on one street (the flop) as leaving anything else behind for the turn is kinda pointless (no?).

I would have just shipped the flop.

As played, we're getting like almost 8:1, which is kinda in the territory of what we need if just one of our overs is good (if both our overs are good, it's a snap call). Even Jx probably just gets the rest in at this point cuz they realize leaving $45 behind in a $375 pot is pointless. I think we're likely committed at this point (which looks to be our preflop plan, which I'm fine with).

ETA: Totally forgot about the spread limit stuff and how that limits our betsizing. I'd still go more preflop to capitalize our on our preflop FE (we're fine with everyone folding); flop bet size is I guess best we can do, so I'm fine with it. ETA: I have no idea how spread limit restrictions should change our strategy; does this mean $100 pre to setup a $100 post is fine too?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Yeah, I think making the preflop sizing bigger to maximize FE is actually the correct line for a couple reasons.

1) If we can get everyone to fold, we're booking a $36 win with very little risk. That's equivalent to getting it AI OTF for stacks as a 59% favorite range vs. range. I'll take it.

2) If we make are preflop raise bigger, then it forces any calling villains to make their biggest mistake at the worst price.

Say Hero makes it $100 preflop. This maximizes our FE (in most cases), and yet, we probably still get called lots. Then, OTF, hero can just GII with one bet.

Raise more Pre, Especially with the cap

Yeah why bet 100 on the flop? It's not like you get to fold for 45 more. If you don't want to commit the rest, just check and fold some turns if he jams.

Edit: Sorry, saw this is a spread limit game. Yeah getting it in on this board is fine. He probably missed this, and it's possible you can get called here and be ahead (namely hands like AdQ or KdQd or what have you). And obviously getting him to fold a hand like QT is fine at this depth.

But yeah, preflop has to be bigger. Stacks are narrow and you have a hand that likes a small SPR. When he makes it 12 and there's two callers at 1-2 level, the pot after your call would be 12 * 4 + 3 = 51. So just make it at least 63, 65-70 may be ideal.