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11-28-2012 , 01:49 AM
$153 eff stacks.

Villain unknown - in the course of an orbit I knew he was a regular at live poker, but not where I play. Chip shuffling, knew some of the dealers (one gave him the choreographed multi-move handshake with a pound at the end as he passed to his next table - ha). Young, kinda "thuggy" type guy.

3 limps, SB completes to me in BB with 1010, I raise to $13. 2 limpers call (V is 2nd limper), SB folds, 3 ways to the flop.

Flop ($43) is 7 3 5. I bet $25, V calls, other limper folds.

Turn ($93) is 9s. I bet $45, V thinks a few secs and goes all in for $70 more.

Hero? Thanks in advance...
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11-28-2012 , 02:16 AM
You're rarely good. Easy fold. See Baluga Theorem.
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11-28-2012 , 02:17 AM
You are getting such good pot odds here. I think I call here and hope he has some flush draw combo that picked up top pair on the turn. Based on the villains description I think he could easily get it in here with hands that you have beat.
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11-28-2012 , 02:40 AM
not folding turn
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11-28-2012 , 04:08 AM
CALL what can he have? 99?
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11-28-2012 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhotang
CALL what can he have? 99?
99, 77, 55, 33, 86... all def part of a standard V's EP l/c range
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11-28-2012 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
You're rarely good. Easy fold. See Baluga Theorem.
This makes sense to me. Sure, pot odds seem great but even some of the combo draws are already straights. Best to save your money despite the seemingly good equity.
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11-28-2012 , 04:38 AM
If your going to play short ie... 75bb deep, then raise a real amount pre, at least 18-20 with so many limpers. Look to play flop and turn looking to get it in
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11-28-2012 , 09:18 AM
Thanks all, for your responses. V had 73o for a flopped 2 pair. Lesson learned is Venice10 is dead on (and Tom Dwans Son). When I called I was a little steamed about having to fold 10's and 9's so many times on boards like this, but still - the turn raise/ship is an indicator that a 1 pair hand is beat. The "Beluga Theroem" has it. Thanks again all.
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11-28-2012 , 11:43 AM
Well, make sure you consider the pot odds and the possibility that his range will include some draws that hit top pair on the turn. Ac9c, 9c8c, Tc9c are possible. (And if 73o is, then a lot of other 9x hands also are)

I'm also a little puzzled by your small postflop bets. With an overpair on a drawy board and stacks the way they are, I'd be hoping to get it all-in by the turn.
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11-28-2012 , 12:06 PM
Stacks are too shallow for u to fold on turn. If u both had 100+bb to start I'd probably fold. With that many limpers I'd raise to $16-18 next time pre.
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11-28-2012 , 01:16 PM
Preflop I'd either setmine check or raise big so that I can comfortably stack off on safe boards. With 75 BBs, I'm probably more on the raising big side. If we hadda just gone a touch bigger (say to $15) then this is a super easy stack off on safe boards because opponents just called off 10% of their stack with speculative hands.

Still, even as played, I'm stacking off here on this board. With it being drawy and my hand being vulnerable to lots of overcards, I'm potting the flop so I can comfortably shove the turn. We don't want this hand to play out over 3 postflop streets.

As played, I dunno, I guess we can bet/fold. Our hand looks exactly like it is and I doubt villain is expecting a fold after we raise/bet/bet, so I disappoint him. If he didn't have us crushed on the flop, 99 and 68 did get there. We're basically ahead of monster draws.

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11-28-2012 , 01:47 PM
If you can't fold in spots like this when you are shallow, don't play shallow. Being able to make folds in spots like this is critical vs low-stakes opponents who largely play their hands face up.
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11-28-2012 , 02:41 PM
First off I'd be raising more preflop, with so many limpers in the pot you do not want to be playing 1010 multiway out of position. I'd make it 16 or 17. I'd also be betting slightly more on the flop. maybe 30-33. Turn you are getting a great price and I'd call it off, if you were playing more deep stacked I would definitely be folding here.
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